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To think you dont put a rapist in a woman's prison?

319 replies

bambambini · 06/09/2017 12:57

Do women really not count here, has all common sense been ababdoned? How is this even possible?

www.cetusnews.com/news/Transgender-rapist-lag-‘put-in-segregation’-over-‘sexual-advances-to-female-prisoners-.BkeCnqnht-.html

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IndominusRex · 06/09/2017 15:04

Hannah - that's EXACTLY what woman is starting to mean thanks to campaigners. It means we lose so many rights.

BartholinsSister · 06/09/2017 15:12

Surely they'll rip him to shreds?

bambambini · 06/09/2017 15:13

Paris Greene tortured and murdered someone. Paris and her penis were sent to a female prison where she had sexual relations with several inmates. So they moved Paris to another female prison. Tara Hudson was another violent male with a penis - sent to a female prison. If we are saying some TW should be in female prisons (rapists or whatevet) - then surely all TW should be in female prisons - or that is discrimination.

One well known and very vocal TW activist stated publicly that even if every TW was a rapist - they should still have access to every female space. There was a lot of support for this view.

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OlennasWimple · 06/09/2017 15:14

But surely you can't be labelled a woman if you have a willy?

Yes, yes you can. You can self-identify as a woman and still enjoy your lady dick

MsMommie · 06/09/2017 15:16

So what about bisexual transgender people then, Morphine

Incitatis · 06/09/2017 15:17

How about trans people try really, really hard not to end up in jail and then it won't be an issue for them. I mean, it's not very difficult to stay out of trouble.

bambambini · 06/09/2017 15:17

In trans activist thinking - a penis can belong to a man or woman.

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VestalVirgin · 06/09/2017 15:19

How about trans people try really, really hard not to end up in jail and then it won't be an issue for them. I mean, it's not very difficult to stay out of trouble.

Yeah, the female transwacktivists seem very sure that they will be able to stay out of prison and thus never be subjected to the consequences of their own, woman-hating activism.

So, surely, it cannot be that hard. Why don't trans people just stay out of prison?

terrylene · 06/09/2017 15:25

Or maybe TW could not rape women?

terrylene · 06/09/2017 15:27

(nor men for that matter Hmm)

OlennasWimple · 06/09/2017 15:29

Wait, what? terry - what a ridiculous thought!

Ttbb · 06/09/2017 15:35

The whole thing is so stupid. But then again men who rape other men are put in male prisons all the time.

whoputthecatout · 06/09/2017 15:37

For God's sake. What kind of parallel universe are we living in?

Presumably the same one as these brainless politicians who are deciding that men can become women just by saying so.

This transgender stuff is now beyond parody. It is stupid, dangerous, errant nonsense.

And, as usual, women are expected to budge up to make room for these bloody snowflakes.

Not to mention these rapists' crimes will go down as being committed by women and all the TRAs and their male and 'liberal' supporters will say "look - women do it too".

Utter and complete madness.

Still, as long as these snowflakes are "safe", who cares a jot what might happen to their unfortunate cell mates. After all, they are only real women, so it doesn't matter.

Morphene · 06/09/2017 15:58

vestal I said we absolutely didn't want to go the way of US prisons...I wasn't the poster that said you don't get transwomen with women in US prisons...that was someone else.

Don't worry - I'm used to catching blasts of ire from you...though usually I deserve it rather more than on this occasion.

Morphene · 06/09/2017 16:00

stormtreader thanks :) I think some people on here would not only find anything I said stupid, but will even attribute any stupid comments made in the vicinity of my username to me....

I think I probably only have myself to blame...

Morphene · 06/09/2017 16:03

msmommie what about bisexual transgender people? I think they should be allowed to get on with their lives in peace and quiet.....

If you mean bisexual rapists...who have raped members of both sexes, then they probably need to be in isolation whenever not directly supervised.

Oswin · 06/09/2017 16:09

This is fucking ridiculous. How can anyone think that putting this scumbag into a female prison was a OK idea? It's only women prisoners though so it doesn't matter Is the tone I've gotten from a lot of comments.
What makes me sick is so called lib fems and sjws now behaving like these female prisoners should be fine with a dick in a female prison. Yet they will fight for everyone else. They will campaign against harsh prisons, will rant about how our prisons treat women like shit then call us all transphobic for being angry.
Well fuck them. I do not give a shit anymore. If you think this is OK you are a complete misogynistic thicko.

MagdalenLaundry · 06/09/2017 16:12

What the hell does living as a woman even mean
Tell me quickly, I fear I may be living as a man and at risk of mens prison should I offend
Clare Derbyshire killed her disabled father. She had been recluse for 2 years. Looked like a bloke with longish hair, was that living as a woman?
The paedophile who was on the run. The news actually said may be living as a man!!
They were abusing children. Was that living as a woman

DeleteOrDecay · 06/09/2017 16:19

The whole thing is so stupid. But then again men who rape other men are put in male prisons all the time.

Oh well that's ok thenHmm

terrylene · 06/09/2017 16:39

Of course it isn't - the problem lies in male prisons where it happens. It is not ok to move the victims from the male prison population into the female population - it just creates problems there.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 06/09/2017 16:54

I find it so depressing when things move backwards. Locking up women with rapists is an inhumanity that would never have been countenanced in previous years and even previous centuries but the supposedly advanced twenty first century thinks it is fine. Disgusting.

ChelleDawg2020 · 06/09/2017 17:38

Prison is probably the best place for her.

If we are to accept that people can change their legal gender, and we accept that criminals have human rights, then we must also accept that a rapist may decide to change gender and therefore must be treated the same as someone who was born the "new" gender.

We can't have a situation where "anyone can choose their gender without being discriminated against except in cases of X, Y or Z" - because by differentiating someone who has changed gender from people "naturally" of that gender, we are by definition discriminating against them.

Anyway, prison should be a horrendous experience that nobody should be prepared to suffer from again once they are released, so frankly it doesn't bother me if a rapist is sent to a female prison, no more than it would bother me if a homosexual male rapist was sent to a male prison. If people are scared, intimidated, it might make them be more determined to stay out of jail in future.

terrylene · 06/09/2017 17:45

I think you have fallen down a wormhole to the middle ages there Confused

Andrewofgg · 06/09/2017 17:50

What about a post-surgical trans rapist?

One convicted of a Rae some years ago before the surgery and the rest of it?

Would that be different?

AssassinatedBeauty · 06/09/2017 17:57

ChelleDawg you cannot seriously discuss human rights and then in the same post state that you don't care if female prisoners get raped.

Prisons aren't segregated based on internal feelings of gender identity, they're segregated on biological sex for good reason. This person is male-bodied and a risk to all women they encounter given their offending history. It is madness to cast aside the women in this prison as unimportant and irrelevant in the face of this one offenders internal feelings.