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To think you dont put a rapist in a woman's prison?

319 replies

bambambini · 06/09/2017 12:57

Do women really not count here, has all common sense been ababdoned? How is this even possible?

www.cetusnews.com/news/Transgender-rapist-lag-‘put-in-segregation’-over-‘sexual-advances-to-female-prisoners-.BkeCnqnht-.html

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EmpressOfTheSpartacusOceans · 09/09/2017 13:57

But was it ever a champion of lesbian rights?

YetAnotherSpartacus · 09/09/2017 14:01

I personally don't think any institution or publication or similar run by gay men has been a champion of lesbians or their rights. Gay men are still men. They still have male privilege and they view women in the same way as straight men. Ironic really.

NoProblemForMe · 09/09/2017 14:16

Good points Empress and Yet

I haven't read it for years to be fair. I was quite shocked when I clicked the link as PN has clearly wandered far from its original path. I couldn't read the comments because they wouldn't load but the articles were enough to annoy the fuck out of me.

EmpressOfTheSpartacusOceans · 09/09/2017 14:36

I used to read the Pink Paper in the 90s but I honestly can't remember if that had much for us. There were other lesbian free mags in those days though, & Diva was still all about women.

noeffingidea · 10/09/2017 09:14

Blueberrypie do you actually ever think about other women, or just yourself?
If you do then try thinking about how transactivism and self identification laws might impact on them and their lives.

blueberrypie0112 · 10/09/2017 12:25

I am speaking about people who are not committing any crime or doing anything that is wrong. No need for me to worry about everyone who are going in just to pee and not causing problems.

But it doesn't matter, people give them a private bath or locker rooms in schools/gym anyhow. Toilet might be a different story because some places don't have a private restroom and transfolk have to choose which they can use.

blueberrypie0112 · 10/09/2017 12:32

But if you make it a crime for being a transfolk, we will just have bigger prison issues. I personally think transfolk can help us report rape.

PricklyBall · 10/09/2017 14:21

"But if you make it a crime for being a transfolk"

Point me at one post, anywhere on Mumsnet where anyone has ever said being transgender should be made a crime. I've read a lot of these threads and I have never seen anything even close to this suggestion. Wilfully and maliciously misrepresenting your opponents' point of view in this way does your argument no good whatsoever.

blueberrypie0112 · 10/09/2017 14:25

I just don't understand why they have a problem with my post.

blueberrypie0112 · 10/09/2017 14:32

I asked how one poster how she plan to enforce keep it all females in public places, she says we can look for Adam apples. if she find someone with an Adam apple, does she plan to report it to an authority (probably by this time that person with an Adam apple finished using the toilet)?

NoProblemForMe · 10/09/2017 14:42

I personally think transfolk can help us report rape

Could you elaborate on that please blueberry

blueberrypie0112 · 10/09/2017 14:53

There's nothing elaborate. Just that they know they can report without getting in trouble for using the ladies room. But I am thinking of public restrooms in U.S. So I don't know how it work in other countries

NoProblemForMe · 10/09/2017 15:11

I meant elaborate as in 'to explain something at greater length or in greater detail' Grin

I don't see how trans folk can help with female rape reporting by being allowed access to women's toilets? Are you saying that if a MTT was raped in a ladies loo and they feel ok to report it then that is somehow helping the 'sistahood'? Confused

blueberrypie0112 · 10/09/2017 15:19

I am saying it is late at night, a man snuck in to target women. A trans female may feel she has to use a male restroom because you know, people don't want her using the female restroom. If she was allowed, she would report it. Like I said nothing to elaborate because anything a trans female do is pretty much what any female can do

NoProblemForMe · 10/09/2017 15:26

I'm afraid your explanation still makes absolutely no sense to me.

If a rapist was lying in wait for a lone woman then the MTT is more likely to get beaten up than raped when their attacker finds a penis where they expected a vagina to be.

I think we'll have to agree to differ on the 'positives' of a penis in the ladies loo.

SprinklesandIcecream · 10/09/2017 15:35

I just don't understand how it is reasonable for trans to be afraid of men and therefore should be allowed into female rest rooms and yet actual women aren't allowed to be afraid of men momentarily choosing whenever it pleases them to be transwomen? All the arguments for transwomen being allowed into safe spaces for women are flawed. If they recognise the threat men pose for women, how could they allow or support laws that put everyone under greater risk of harm?

FerretsAreFeminists · 10/09/2017 23:32

I've asked that question numerous times Sprinkles and am yet to receive an answer.

FerretsAreFeminists · 11/09/2017 00:07

It is just one of the many inconsistencies in the trans movement.

If a transwoman expresses fear and discomfort at using the men's toilets they are given sympathy, understanding and have their concerns listened to and taken seriously.

However when women express the same fear and discomfort at sharing toilets with men they are mocked, ridiculed, have their concerns dismissed, given the whole "not all men are out to get you you know...and women are capable of assaulting people too!" spiel...in short they are not taken seriously at all.

There was a poster on a recent trans thread who stuck around for a bit and arguing the usual but not all men/transwomen are a threat and women assault people too. They then later went on to ask what about the poor transwomen who might be assaulted by violent men in the men's toilets but failed to say the glaring inconsistency in what they were arguing.

The inconsistency is so obvious though and it's staring at them right in the face. If the majority of men are not violent and women are just as likely as men to be predators, why are transwomen so desperate to be let into the women's toilets? Surely they'd be in just as much danger in there if what the transactivists are saying is true?

Speaking of inconsistencies, another obvious one that I'm amazed people don't notice is the whole gender identity and self identification narrative that seems to be in right now.

The argument that is used for transwomen to use women's toilets is that they are at risk of being attacked in the men's. But at the same time there is a huge push for people to be allowed to decide their gender on a whim and be able to self identify. Am I the only one that sees a huge problem right there? So it's risky for transwomen to use the men's so the solution to that is to allow anyone to be able to self ID their way into the ladies...yeah that makes perfect sense Confused So what exactly is stopping a man from declaring he is really a woman and following a transwomen into the women's toilets and assaulting them or harassing or intimidating them there instead?

On a sort of related point, it kind of reminds me of how women are told we need to take responsibility for our safety because you wouldn't leave your door unlocked and you wouldn't do x or y....blah blah blah. But then we do take steps to keep ourselves safe we are accused of tarring all men with the same brush, of being man haters, paranoid, etc. We just can't win, can we?

Now picture this; imagine a woman using a unisex toilet in a deserted train station or a nightclub. Now imagine a man walks in and sexually assaults her.

Now what do you think the response would be? Sympathy? Or would it be more along the lines of "wtf did she expect using the unisex toilets in those situations?"

I know which one I think is most likely.

ArcheryAnnie · 11/09/2017 07:59

I am speaking about people who are not committing any crime or doing anything that is wrong. No need for me to worry about everyone who are going in just to pee and not causing problems.

But this thread is about a rapist, blueberry. A rapist. Someone who has already raped women, and who has been convicted of those rapes.

He isn't in jail for being trans. He is in jail for being a rapist.

He should not be given access to women who cannot get away from him. But you don't seem to grasp that.

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