Why can't Teacher training be done in summer holidays

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Why do summer holidays need to be extended by 3 days to cover inset days when teachers have had 6 weeks off. And before I get shot down I realise they may have been in school over the holidays etc. But what is the point in going back to school on a Thursday

As I say to all people who moan about teachers holidays- go and train as a teacher and you'll get these holidays.

Funny how many people tell me they would never want to be a teacher....

Plus holidays are unpaid for teachers.

They are published likecthat because each school has some flexibility as to when the training days are taken. So the LA publishes the dates to could be.

So for example ds's school has chosen to have two of their training days before term starts whereas my nieces school has chosen one day before term starts & one after term finishes.

Because I read teacher comments, my mil is a head teacher, and the whole debate just drives me bonkers.

Yes, teachers work hard, but so do the parents of the children who go to school.

I'd have thought many parents, having had 6 weeks with their own kids would be very happy (& admiring) if the fact we take 30+ of the little darlings all day

cant win.

Seriously, if it's so easy, just retrain

Oh my god, why does this idiotic question come up every bloody year??!!

Children have 190 days in school.

Teachers have 195.

Whenever the INSET days take place, it doesn't matter. Your kids will be in 190 days of the year.

Teachers used to also work 190 days of the year but now they have five additional working days for training. This is a good thing. The days were taken out of teachers' holidays, not children's school days.

However hard or easy you think teachers have it or whatever other professions do is irrelevant. Your kids will be in school 190 days of the year. This hasn't changed.

Yeah at least you get paid on your 24 days holiday and get a rough stab at when you want them. I can't choose when I want to have time off, I have to have it when it is.

You chose to be a parent. You chose to be a working parent. Schools aren't babysitting clubs.

For what it's worth, I'd rather have been teaching today than sitting through a whole day of training.

X-post. Geneuinely sorry. OP hadn't come back when I started writing.

It's just that us teachers always seem to be defending ourselves!

When I was a teacher, conservatively doing 55 hours per week for 40 weeks per year, I worked 2200 hours for the year. I now work 37 hours a week for 46 weeks. This is 1702 hours. I get paid more now, and I'm a lot less tired. I get sick less too. I do all my work training in work time and don't have to do extra outside. Teacher directed time is 1265 hours - this is only the time that the head can tell you what to do with. I needed those holidays to catch up on marking, planning and sleep!

On my drive to school this morning I was thinking this will be mentioned once again on here!!!!!

In the late 80's Teachers worked 190 days a year and children came to school 190 days a year. A gentleman in government put in what were originally called Baker Days - named so after Kenneth Baker the man in question. From this point onwards Teachers are in school for 195 a year children are still the same at 190 days.

Individual schools can choose when they use their own Inset days - hence why some will have some now, some will have them as twilights after school and teachers get the days 'off' some schools use them all in one lump, some have them tagged on to holidays. some randomly during the year.

So the INSET days, as they became known, are not part of your childrens school time - this is still thier holiday.

Why are they published like this?

Because they are taken in term time but are taken from holidays. Does that make sense. Normally there is one at the end of September or in October as appraisal day, where your targets are reviewed.

Yes, teachers work hard, but so do the parents of the children who go to school.

Not all parents, to be fair...

The confusion is caused by "term dates" being published as inclusive of these holiday training days. Why are they published like this

Ours aren't. Ours have the LEA dates on plus the extra INSET days that schools can juggle around to suit the needs of the school, the availability of trainers etc etc.

Some schools have them on a Monday and Tuesday at the end of term so the children can finish on the Friday before. I don't see many parents complaining about that.

Ah, thanks Boatrace - I got it after a few posts.

I dint get the vitriol. Lots of jobs have a variety of perks or benefits. Want lots of time off? Be a teacher. Want a huge bonus? Be a banker? What prestige? Be a doctor.

You'll forgive me the hyperbole @oldlaundbooth - lots of people obviously deserve decent holidays but teaching, where you are constantly 'on', not especially well paid and have to deal with upwards of 20 people wanting a piece of you on a regular basis strikes me as a job worthy of a decent break.

I work in a school and earn as much as a senior teacher (just under SLT) level and my job is considerably less stressful. I work through the holidays but that's fine because it's standard in my profession - there isn't enough cash (or annual leave) in the world that would induce me to be a teacher.

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God, you'd hate it here OP. I do summer training courses (not obligatory) and get days off in lieu to have whenever I like(and the board agree)!

My wife was a teacher and frequently work until 9pm (and beyond), as well as some weekends on marking and preparation. How many of you facttory and office workers would do that for a flat salary. (i.e. No overtime pay). Set against that the holidays are not overgenerous.

Our local school has been empty today.

However, the staff have been in a lot over the holidays. Painting, cleaning and admin. I'm amazed and slightly saddened to see they have to work for free now in the holiday time due to cutbacks.

A few years ago a team of cleaners and maintenance people would appear and be busy all holidays, now it's the teaching staff cleaning and painting the school.

Kitty as I posted twice before I stand corrected I will get back in my box ! I understand I was wrong I beg your forgiveness !

Your children get a set number of days of education.

Official "term dates" cover that number of days PLUS 5 so that schools can schedule inset days. These can be any time in the year. That is obviously sensible because it means that specialist training can be delivered by the same trainer on many different days at different schools throughout the year.

Teachers wages reflect their working year - if we (stupidly) upped the school day from 6.5 hrs to 8 hrs and term times from 39 weeks a year to 47 weeks a year so that a teacher's working hours reflected the hours of a full time office worker they would all need a 48% pay increase.

We can't afford that - but if we could perhaps the teachers would find the time to teach everyone sufficient mathematics and logic that we wouldn't get this thread started at least 10 times a year by people who are hard of thinking.

Ok OP, let me explain.

Teachers get paid to go to work a 195 days each year (1265 hours.)

Pay for the 195 days is divided up by 12 so that they get equal pay 12 months of the year.

In England, local authority maintained schools must open for at least 380 sessions (190 days) during a school year.

That means that there are 5 training days. Paid, no children to teach.

If you took away the 5 INSET training days, your DC will still do 190 days.
Training (INSET) days make absolutely no difference to the amount of time schools are open to the children.

@KittyVonCatsington RTFT, OP has replied.

Might be worth saying there is currently a teacher recruitment crisis so pretty easy to train and get a job for those wanting an easy life!

Winebomb - how many days a year do you think your child should attend lessons in school?

Apologies OP as per a number of others I cross-posted with your recent indication that you now get it.