Why can't Teacher training be done in summer holidays

[daffodil10]

Why do summer holidays need to be extended by 3 days to cover inset days when teachers have had 6 weeks off. And before I get shot down I realise they may have been in school over the holidays etc. But what is the point in going back to school on a Thursday

We took our children for lunch at the pub last inset day and all the teachers were in there pissing it up.

They looked very embarrassed when they saw us.

daffodil10 thank you for realising your 'stupidity'.

Although I will say this, you are not stupid. You asked a valid question based upon your understanding of how it works for teachers. Not everyone does and it doesn't always need sarcasm to explain something that not everyone understands. There are many job I don't understand (like DH's for a start!)

Love from a teacher!

PS: 2 days training for me this week. All the 'legalities' plus some training on dealing with behaviour tomorrow besides all the displays being put up, planning, resources to be found/made, classroom labels (KS1) to be renewed because nothing last forever books etc labelled (think 10 lots of 30!), meetings, computer issues after being 'asleep' for six weeks.

My sister is a primary school teacher. She is the most uptight bitch during the school year, where all that is on her mind seems to be the school play or that Mum who has complained. During the summer, you can engage with my sister. She laughs and has fun again.

Not for all the tea in China would I even spend a week! trying to teach a bunch of delinquents!

@Winebomb paying teachers more and docking their holidays is not the answer. I could not dedicate anymore of myself to my job, even for £1m. I'd be dead within a decade.

Besides, it is not fair to ask children to "work" at the same rate as an employed adult. That is barbaric.

Not even going to get into the nitty gritty of this, just want to say, that after the loooong holiday, any teacher who now takes my kids off hands is a God to me!!

@Runningyogabooze wow I hope that was reported.

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Ah! So very easy teaching 325 teenagers each week!!
You should try it! I'm sure you'll find it a breeze.
Just think of the 'holidays'!

Winebomb, do you want your children being taught all that extra time?

I really wish teachers would stop saying " we don't get paid for holidays" because actually that's a crock. I mean technically true that your £30,000+ is for only working 195 days a year but TA's actually are pro rated in the main. So that £15,000 advertised is £11,000 in real life as they don't get paid for holidays.

Threenme no it isn't it's asking a question and isn't that what forums are for. I've admitted I was wrong which some posters requested I do. Isn't that the right thing to do , the wrong thing would be to continue to argue when I've realised i was wrong. Therefore I will continue to notify posters that I now understand

@TheFallenMadonna probably, it means a lot of free childcare.

Daffodil10! It is the holidays! Do you actually have any idea what inset is used for or how it even benefits your children?!
Next you'll be complaining that the Easter holidays differ each year

We work 195 days. Not 190. Actually, I work 0.8, so I have more days off than I do in work. Which is lovely.

The systems fine as it is. I'm not a teacher but I love inset days and the way it breaks up a week.

But teachers are only expected to work 190/1 days of a 365 day a year. Whilst they are at work their job is heavy loaded, due to term times. how about if teachers got paid a little more and it was in there contract to only have statutory holiday allowance
Winebomb why do you want this? What problem are you hoping it will solve? What would it contribute to education or the safety of pupils?
It just suggests you are jealous of teachers' terms and conditions of service as you think they are preferable to your own. Well, teach then. We all sign up to the terms of service of our jobs.
Incidentally teachers work 195 days, not 190 - as has been pointed out repeatedly.

Beach11 see below I stand corrected I will get back in my box !* I admitted I was wrong sorry

Daffodil - You aren't wrong to ask the question. How were you to know how teacher's pay is structured!

So WineBomb you want me to work (I apologise for the approximate numbers, I am a Maths teacher and can do better, but I am brain dead after 1 day of training that came out of my holidays originally ) 7 extra weeks. That is about 17.5% extra that equates to over £6000. I am not going to argue whether, I want to/physically can, cope with the extra work load but where is the extra funding going to come from?

StealthPolarBear have you looked at teacher resignation dates? If I decided to hand my notice in on the 1st June then I would have to stay and teach the full autumn term and would not be able to start a new jon until January. In the situation you described you would only be paid twice if your second job was outside of teaching.

Winebomb every school I know is very data driven. Many schools employ several members of staff just to process data. Teachers' performance management targets are based on exam results and if some of your students have been absent for a significant period of time for any reason or no matter how hard you try in the 2.5 hours a week have gone off the rails then 'your' results will be poor and you won't get a pay rise. You can also be moved down the pay scale.

Winebomb That wouldn't work because most of us need the holidays to catch up on work we don't have time to do during term time! Not the whole time, but time is needed to rest and then to catch up on stuff. Why can't you just accept that teaching works differently from many other jobs? Maybe it's not harder, or more stressful or whatever, but it's different. Statutory holidays wouldn't work, so if you want our holidays you'll just have to sign up. ..

I find the teachers pay thing fascinating. If a teacher gets a non teaching job to start in august that means they'll get two lots of pay at the end of august!

If I worked in an office and the leave calendar ran from 1st January to 31st December and I got 20 days annual leave but didn't take any of it then I left and went to a new job at the start of August, I'd get two sets of pay in August too - the holiday pay from my old job, and the salary for my new one. Is that not essentially the same situation?

OP your ignorance has been remedied. You'll sleep well tonight.

@cardibach and I so WISH it was 195 days! I have taken over reception this summer and worked 3 days each week through the summer holiday. So there you have it, my grand total of 12 disjointed days off this summer.

My pay is based on my performance, albeit unpredictable
My pay is based on the performance of the students I teach.

I too work long hours (about 50 a week)
I get in school at 7:45 and work through to 5 every day. That's 9 1/4 hours a day or 46 1/4 hours a week. I work at home between 8 and 10 at least 4 nights a week. That's now 54 hours a week. I work most of Sunday - 2pm - 5pm and then 7pm - 10pm...so another 6 hours a week. So 60 hours. And then it increases if there is a parent's evening, or reports are due. I do all that to prepare good quality lessons and resources as well as to comply with my school's marking and assessment policies. During exam season (January through to May) I do after school classes meaning there is extra work to do at home. I spend time coaching, mentoring, supporting. I do duties during lunchtimes. I have a young lady in my form who's home life gives me sleepless nights.

I am actually fed up of hearing teachers moan.
So many people can't cope with being told we work lots of hours without assuming we are moaning. It is a fact of the job. We mostly love the people we teach and want the best. Frequently that means our own children take a back seat. It is a fact. No moaning.

It's like a slap in the face to the parents who send their children to school also half baked by their workload
I wouldn't dream of telling another qualified professional how to do their job. Nor would I assume anything about the daily difficulties they may face.

None of that changes the fact we are a) not paid for holidays so will not be attending training on our own time and b) training days would be non-teaching days so you would be finding childcare anyway.