Why can't Teacher training be done in summer holidays

[daffodil10]

Why do summer holidays need to be extended by 3 days to cover inset days when teachers have had 6 weeks off. And before I get shot down I realise they may have been in school over the holidays etc. But what is the point in going back to school on a Thursday

It's about the most unholiday-y holiday ever for teachers. Quit whining.

Not brave, Loving. Just very badly informed. I don't understand how anyone has missed this info. As a PP said, now is the holidays, it's just the end of them. Teacher training days were taken from the holidays, not the terms, when they were introduced.
Magdalen if it's so great, why don't you become a teacher? The leave us part of the contract and, while I don't want to get into this as it's another dead easy thing which many seem to misunderstand, teachers aren't paid for the holidays, just in them. The annual pay is divided by 12. Research shows that, due to long hours in term time, teachers work the same hours as the average professional over the whole year.

I don't know why if teaching is such an easy ride more teachers are leaving the profession than joining it....

We can't win. If we take them at the beginning or end of terms it's wrong because it lengthens the holidays. If we take them in the middle of a term it's wrong because people work and have childcare admin. When exactly would you like us to take them? Bearing in mind your children will be in school exactly the same numbers of days per year regardless?

They are. The number of school holiday days have never changed. But they are split over the year so that schools can get in people to do the training that they need or fit it around the school needs.

Ha Moany. X post!
OP. Are you being dense? Teachers used to get longer holidays. 5 days were taken from them to allow for training.
Many teachers work during the holidays and many many bloody hours in the weekends and evenings. They have "directed time" when they have to be in school but this is just the tip of the iceberg.
Feel free to train as a teacher if you don't believe this.

Most schools try to put them in the holidays. Dd's school starts back on Wednesday, the teachers had to go in two days early. When they were introduced teachers lost 5 days of holiday.

In state schools, children are in school 190 days each year. Teacher's training days are in addition to this.

Don't they @annie987 ?

I thought they were paid 365 days per year? That's what the contracts where I work say I'm sure...

Not goady - as you can see from my PP I'm very pro long breaks for teachers.

Does it vary from school to school?

Teachers don't get paid for holidays. The money they earn during term time is spread through the year. They are free to do other paid work during holiday times.
Would you go into work unpaid during your annual leave?

When inset days were introduced in 1988, the holidays were not extended, staff were just required to come in for five extra days a year.

It's 5 days a year OP. Get over it.

Having waved my pupils off for the summer in July and they spent the next 2 days sitting in a stuffy hall on training days, YABU.

Op the number of days taught is still the same.

Daffodil, yes the inset days could have been done last week & which would mean term would end early at Christmas or half term instead.

You can thank Kenneth Baker.

I think it should be more like health is run with proper time for supervision and cpd built into the timetable
We can't turf patients out of the hospital for training. I agree timetables may be too stretched but that's what needs looking at

I find the teachers pay thing fascinating. If a teacher gets a non teaching job to start in august that means they'll get two lots of pay at the end of august!

i think they should just include it in the holiday dates rather than call it out, its like saying 'holiday is over but teachers are now going to train and school will be closed for another day' - why tell us, why not just say first day back is X which is 1 day later to account for the training which we don't actually need to know about?!

OP. Count the number of days your children are in school over the full year, taking into account all the holidays, TED days and bank holidays as days off. It should be 190. As long as they are doing 190 days then their teachers are doing their training in their holidays, not the children's holidays.

All councils state that children should attend for 190 days (or 380 sessions) each academic year. Teachers should be available to work for 195 days each academic year

Yes, agree that they already are in the holidays really, as PD days (formerly known as 'Baker' days) were taken from the existing holiday period.

There are occasional exceptions, for example our school occasionally has had one on a Friday in the middle of a term if all the schools within a pyramid join together for training, but otherwise they still tend to be at the beginning or end of holidays. Just holidays days for the kids by a different name really.

Oh FFS, be a teacher if is so easy and the holidays are so long. Teachers arent paid for the holidays. You go to work on your holidays!

We can't turf patients out of the hospital for training

So schools should be open all year round then?

No holidays.

But the number of days would be the same .

I'm sure we used to go back on a Monday. Now the kids don't go back till Wednesday or Thursday.

Children get 190 days in school. Teachers get 195. We could do them mid August I suppose. But your children would still go back on the same day.

Some of it is mandatory training that can't be done 'in house' e.g. When we have some safeguarding training. Requires all staff and an outside speaker.

It's a joyous way to spend a day. Said no teacher, ever.

Trust me, we would far rather be getting our classrooms last minute things sorted for when the kids arrive