Why can't Teacher training be done in summer holidays

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Why do summer holidays need to be extended by 3 days to cover inset days when teachers have had 6 weeks off. And before I get shot down I realise they may have been in school over the holidays etc. But what is the point in going back to school on a Thursday

I don't get this, my son is starting primary tomorrow. And I am in a blind panic over childcare for school holidays etc.

I very much appreciate that teachers need to continually learn, same as doctors and lawyers etc. But don't university qualified child practitioners do too?

My son has come from a private preschool, where the vast majority are degree level and above, there are two qualified teachers in preschool. They work all year round, but nursery doesn't close unless it's a bank holiday.

As much as I appreciate teachers, sometimes it grates on me that they seem to think that they are the only professionals out there, yes they could be better paid, but surely we all should.

I work in the financial services and everything I do is target driven and monitored. The people who work for me are measured on customer outcomes: which largely depends on the customers, so very unpredictable. but it's private sector and we don't have the right to strike and demand better pay.

My pay is based on my performance, albeit unpredictable, I too work long hours (about 50 a week) I am actually fed up of hearing teachers moan. It's like a slap in the face to the parents who send their children to school also half baked by their workload.

My dad used to do that

One of the teachers I work with spent 3 days painting her classroom in the holidays. When's the last time you painted your office, OP?

DCS school went back today. I think Friday was an INSET day. All Local authorities and schools can be different but they all have the same number of school days in the end.

My son's new school are doing a days training with autism outreach. That pleases me greatly as he had to move schools because his previous school was so crap with Sen.

Supply teachers who don't receive pay during the holidays (except for statutory minimum) are paid a higher hourly rate. Permanent teachers are entitled to the same rate on the pay scale but they get it divided over 12 months in equal instalments.

'I've never known a group of people more deserving of long holidays frankly.'

Really? Like, really?

As much as I appreciate teachers, sometimes it grates on me that they seem to think that they are the only professionals out there, yes they could be better paid, but surely we all should

Tick Bingo card.

Um wine teachers weren't moaning. The OP is moaning about teachers undergoing mandatory training in their holidays.

No I don't attend training but then I then I get 24 days a year !! As opposed to teachers holiday.

As a reception teacher I can say without question YABU. The hours we put in each and every week probably pro-rata out over the year at a similar amount of annual leave. Plus, the one and only perk of Teaching is that I get to have time off with my own DCs when they're off school. The assumption that teachers have it easy is just a little ignorant.

Honestly, this has been done to death, what does it matter?

Children get all their days at school, teachers get their training days, whatever way it's done people will whinge

Just to reiterate what many PP have said moanyoldcow - yes teachers are paid throughout the year but are NOT paid for the holidays. The pay for term time is divided into 12 even monthly payments + we do get 4 weeks holiday paid (as is mandatory by law but I am sure someone will complain)

Winebomb where do you get this idea? As much as I appreciate teachers, sometimes it grates on me that they seem to think that they are the only professionals out there Seriously, show me one example of a teacher suggesting this.

Because, I struggle with a child for 24 hours. 24 of them, daily? Eh nope. So, it's because teachers are on much needed holidays. Not work training days. A break.

Again, your children get 190 days of school education. Do you expect teachers to provide childcare during the holidays. Or do you think children should have lessons all year round and only the same amount of holiday as you?

You would have to pay me to work extra and i would happily. Im a ta and the money is crap your told when to have your holidays cant take different time off and make it up. Training is done for medical needs, child protection etc. We need all this training to cover our own backsides from a massive load of crap we may be accussed of and parents who have no idea or gratitude for what we do with there darling children. We deal with kids that are sent in with tummy bugs or colds that should bd at home, then take said bug home to our familys but should give up our unpaided holiday so we can look after your darling children while you get paid

Oh winebomb it sounds like you need to retrain!

I worked in financial services to before retraining and I can tell you, hand on heart, nothing prepares you for the intensity of teaching.

I do sometimes look at my qualifications and think 'you fool' but I'm 15 years out of financial services now!

I stand corrected I will get back in my box !

OP, I assume you do your work training during your annual leave? Because that would be the only justification for posting such an inane and ill-informed question.

If you don't, then - what the actual fuck?

Teaching is great, working half days, apart from the time spent in school, you get to choose how to make up the rest of the 12 hours per day.

I stand corrected I will get back in my box !

What do you do during teacher training?

There is a safeguarding Update, to include current e-safety issues and signs of students at risk and what to do.

There's a health and safety briefing to ensure all staff are clear about what exactly to do in certain circumstances.

There's a briefing from the Headteacher about results and areas that have done well and areas to focus on.

There's a briefing on teaching and learning and the drive for the new year - expectations of students, areas to be consistent on, changes in approaches, changes in logging rewards/ sanctions.

There's a briefing on SEN - clarifying the roles and responsibilities that teachers have, where to find student profiles and specific students that have been added to the list. There's a briefing on EAL - strategies to use and those which are currently being researched for effectiveness. There's a briefing on the most academically able and ideas and strategies on how to get them to progress as well as possible.
Then the section on behaviour and reminding teachers of the sanctions in place for different things, what to do when..., how to address students so they do as they're told, when to contact parents. Duty rota for breaktime.

Then there's a Year team meeting, giving tutors planners and timetables for their forms, asking them to focus on specific areas and analysing those students who need additional mentoring.

Then there's faculty meetings, getting new resources, clarifying plans, ensuring homework is consistent etc.

That kind of thing.

Yes we could have the inset days last week and then start on Monday, but that would mean ending the year earlier in July. Doesn't matter either way really.

Does the private financial sector really not have the right to strike??

winebomb - everything is target driven and monitored A bit like being a teacher then! Our outcomes are also heavily dependent on many factors out of our control, like how much revision a 16 year old boy is prepared to do! Teenagers are about as unpredictable as it gets! I'm not moaning at all - and sometimes teachers do moan too much.
Oh and private sector workers do have a right to strike (watch the news about McDonalds) and we've had a pay freeze for years!

OP isn't going to come back and accept that INSET days are already part of the school holidays, despite what people have accurately explained, so I won't hold my breath for an apology.