Why can't Teacher training be done in summer holidays

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Why do summer holidays need to be extended by 3 days to cover inset days when teachers have had 6 weeks off. And before I get shot down I realise they may have been in school over the holidays etc. But what is the point in going back to school on a Thursday

Teachers do not have lots of experience of unpaid overtime, as their pay and conditions do not state contracted hours, only directed hours and the expectation that we will work additional time in order to fulfil our professional responsibilities. Our pay reflects that additional time.

TAs have a different contract, with stated hours, and should not be expected to exceed them.

their pay and conditions do not state contracted hours, only directed hours and the expectation that we will work additional time in order to fulfil our professional responsibilities.

I don't know about you but my contract says 6.5 directed hours and a nonspecified but reasonable amount of nondirected time in order to fulfil the role. The issue is that many teachers work way beyond a reasonable amount of nondirected time.

Teachers do not have lots of experience of unpaid overtime, as their pay and conditions do not state contracted hours, only directed hours and the expectation that we will work additional time in order to fulfil our professional responsibilities. Our pay reflects that additional time.

Directed time doesn't cover all the hours your average teacher spends working at home though. And as a pp pointed out,
the salary is not up there with solicitors or whoever working the same hours. (I know more experienced teacher spend less time on lesson prep, and non directed time will vary depending on the subject you teach and any additional responsibilities. So I'm not speaking for everyone. )

"Reasonable" is indeed a vague concept. But it doesn't make undetected hours unpaid overtime.

Windytwigs, that was precisely my point. Directed time is not supposed to cover everything.

OK madonna, I get you now.

In Scotland we have a 35 hour week plus an additional 35 hours of CPD to be undertaken over a year. So we definitely do do unpaid overtime, every week in most cases.

Madonna thanks, perfect explanation!

All I know is that after inset this week my brain hurt!

Agree with moanyoldcow

Do you SERIOUSLY want us to read back through 32 pages to find out what moanyoldcow said!

At our school support staff do their training at the same time( saves money,we're needed during the school term and it's useful to be trained alongside teaching staff). Considering we also get paid less than working in Lidl and not for the holidays doing staff training during the holidays would never work.

spanieleyes I doubt whether Deidre21 cares one way or the other what you do.

If she's been following the thread and agrees with a previous observation why shouldn't she say so?

I agree ilove

But it would be nice to have a quote as sadly i am the type of person to trawl back

Found them spanial

She ageed that the OP was being unreasonable and that teachers deserved more pay and earned the long break

As a teacher, I definitely agree with moanyoldcow too!

Yep same yeah

I agree with mouldy as well

Not a teacher though

Massively respect the work they do

I worked termtime and my pay was like this, but I think inset days should be done as annual leave as teachers get 13 weeks holidays. Much more than your average Joe who gets 6?weeks if they are lucky

THEY ALREADY COME OUT OF TEACHERS' HOLIDAYS
In case anyone else has missed this.

How would that work @Plug123?? Annual leave for teachers?? Why on Earth?

And as PPs and I have said - the majority of teachers work during a fair bit of their holidays on prep, planning, updating their classrooms (funded from our own pocket a lot of the time). We deserve every bit of what remains as do the kids.

Annual leave is a day where you're paid but not in work. INSET is a day where you're paid and in work.

Can you imagine the fun if teachers could have annual leave!

" Sparrow class is closed next week as Miss is on holiday in Benidorm. Oh and Robin class will be shut Monday and Wednesday as Sir is waiting in for a new washing machine and fancies a duvet day. Just sort your childcare out please !"

Plug123 - do you do your professional training during your annual leave then? Since you're such an advocate for teachers doing it then?

I would love to do a survey of all those who are employed in a job other than teaching to find out exactly how many of them do their CPD unpaid in their holiday time.

I did not write this message

I think I've heard it all now....quite like the idea of having a cheeky wee week in the sun in my annual leave tho. Am sure the weans would be fine and we really wouldn't mind covering annual leave for each other. Really we wouldn't.