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DH 'working from home'

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Bob10 · 31/08/2017 18:26

Am about to have it out with husband when kids are in bed but want to check with you all if I am out of line.

DH works from home and so I took my children out for the morning to give him space. It is generally very hard for both myself and the kids to not initiate conversations with him when he is actually in the room (workstation in our living room!). He has reminded me on several occasions that he is 'working' and i accept this, although I'm not always tolerant when he does not acknowledge the children's questions or even make eye contact with them when they are saying goodbye! I do accept, however, that he does not do pressure well and cannot focus on two things at once!
So, as I leave I ask him if it's ok to bring in the washing if it rains? He says yes and I am sure two minutes away from the screen will be enough time for this task. I also remind him that our toddler will probably be asleep when we get home and can he look out for us and help me in (toddler NEEDs his nap and always stays asleep when DH carries him in). Again, this is pretty standard practice for us, so fine.
During the morning I realise I have forgotten something and head home. I don't phone as I don't want to stop him 'working'. Upon entering our house I find him sorting out his 'toys', watching tv and totally away from his laptop. I laugh. He says it's the first 5 mins he's had to himself. It's all good and I head out again.
Long story (a little) short, I come home early as it is bucketing it down and the kids are tired. When I get home, both kids have fallen asleep and I knock and ask for his help (I had also texted him 30mins prior to this to explain we were on our way). As he comes out I notice laundry is still out and make a comment on this, to which he storms around, waking both kids (who are upset at having been woken suddenly) and starts shouting about 'what would I do if I was on my own'. He continues to shout and stomp around generally about how unreasonable I am.
So...my question to you is... was I unreasonable? How much additional 'house work'/support can I expect someone to give whilst they are also supposed to be 'working from home' in their main job? Even when I work, I use lunch breaks to make phone calls, order shopping, buy presents etc.
Many thanks in advance - conversations will commence at 8pm!

OP posts:
IDoDaChaCha · 01/09/2017 20:05

REBECCAB odfod. The OP works as well. You left out getting him his slippers, you may be heading for divorce.

Grin
TheDowagerCuntess · 01/09/2017 20:07

Exactly, BabsG - like a reasonable person, or something.

iamyourequal · 01/09/2017 20:10

Women use their down time when WFH to do the odd chore (see my previous post), whereas men are seemingly horrified at the very expectation.. exactly! The odd day I work from home I manage to put washing out, prepare evening meal and tidy up in my lunch break. Day DH works from home he is agrieved if I ask him to lift a casserole from the fridge and place it in the oven! (Casserole I have prepared in morning before leaving for my FT job). YANBU OP. Good luck with the chat but you are probably wasting your time. They just don't get it. Because They have such important jobs of course!

IDoDaChaCha · 01/09/2017 20:16

Wouldn't it have been great if the OP's DH met her at the door and said "I'll bring the DCs in, oh, and it rained so I brought the washing in too".

BabsGanoush we are slowly being brainwashed into thinking this is the holy grail of behaviour... When it's just what a decent person would do, gender aside.

IDoDaChaCha · 01/09/2017 20:19

This is the difference between men and women, I think.

Women use their down time when WFH to do the odd chore (see my previous post), whereas men are seemingly horrified at the very expectation...

Completely agree. But since there is no real difference between the male and female brain, shouldn't we be looking at the underlying reasons for why men react this way, in general (not including the lovely more evolved men who act like decent human beings...). I'm just going to say it- I blame their parents.

IDoDaChaCha · 01/09/2017 20:20

Wouldn't it have been great if the OP's DH told her his afternoon had been manic and said "Work has been crazy, sorry I couldn't bring the DCs in, oh, and it rained but I couldn't bring the washing in either". this would require him being an actual adult, instead of a stroppy teenager.

IDoDaChaCha · 01/09/2017 20:23

MrsMuddlePluck this sounds like another selfish monopolization of home space.

MaisyPops · 01/09/2017 20:24

Women use their down time when WFH to do the odd chore (see my previous post), whereas men are seemingly horrified at the very expectation...
Lovely sweeping generalisation there.

When I was working at home, I was working. My breaks were mine. I had down time.

If I'm working at home (teacher so this is planning stuff rather than at home all the time) and have put washing out it's not unheard of me to end up burried in a task and not realise it's chucking it down and my otherwse lovely washing is now soaked. It's not me refusing to bring my own wahsing in; it's just i get busy.
I'd be pissed if my DH decided to be as judgey and wound up as some on this thread.

IDoDaChaCha · 01/09/2017 20:27

MaisyPops from RTFT the majority of female home workers have said doing odd bits around the house (multitasking stuff) is just how they are. Not so for the majority of men. It doesn't seem like a generalisation, more an observation.

cdtaylornats · 01/09/2017 20:31

If he is in a job that requires focus - for example programming - you can get lost in it. Even working in an office if I've been working on something that required real concentration I've looked up and realised it got dark.

Dutch1e · 01/09/2017 20:35

I'm your DH, although I'm the sole earner and SO is the SAHD. We move around a lot and sometimes have no choice but to blend work & family in the same space. It's really tough.

A significant part of my job is ideas-based. The ideas come when I'm completely alone, dicking around with my 'toys.' It's work, and bringing in the washing would ruin the flow. Still, I wouldn't leave my SO stuck on the doorstep with a toddler just to keep my train of thought.

I think he's being unreasonable - he needs to gtfo of the family living space and pay attention to what's going on around him. If he, like me, needs uninterrupted faffing-about time to do his job well he should be clear with you and sort it out like an adult

Gemini69 · 01/09/2017 20:36

this is the thing....

he's not focused... when he's alone.. he's sat fiddling with his 'boy toys' and watching TV....

he's been caught twice 'not working from home' ... he seems only to be busy.... when the kids and DP are around him.. funny that Hmm

HopefulHamster · 01/09/2017 20:37

I wfh twice a week. I thought the house would be sparkling when I started!

Reality is some days I manage a bit of housework (I often have to wait for others to finish tasks) and some days I am so busy I barely get up to wee. My days are usually more productive at home because there is no office chit chat.

On stressful days, if I do take my lunch I may not do any housework because I need an actual 'break' to calm down!

So I think overall it's not totally fair to 'expect' someone wfh to do specific things but if they're a decent human being you'd at least know they'd do housework if they could.

In this case it's unfair to judge your husband for playing/making lunch, but he was also an arse for waking the kids. Bit of a mix.

Your solution sounds good, just don't expect him to be super hands on whenever he has a break

Ginburee · 01/09/2017 20:38

My DH works from home occasionally, our pc is now in our bedroom so he can as it was totally not ok for him to work in family areas with small children.
Sorry darling, you have a conference call, I will just drag all the kids out of the house??.
No.
But I do know when he is working from home and I am working he has a lunch break and fannies about with his weight lifting. That pisses me off as he totally ignored anything that needs doing in the house.
I am medical so can't work from home, as much as it would be lovely to catch up with paperwork.

MaisyPops · 01/09/2017 20:41

IDoDaChaCha
Thry may do it, but that doesn't mean that men are outraged or horrified at the thought of having to do it.

Thry may have a similar view to me of compartmentalising. (E.g. If I'm lesson planning then I'm lesson planning, if I'm sat marking then I'm sat marking. If i'm on a break I'm on a break etc. If i'm doing chores then I'm doing chores. Etc)

Obviously, if I notice it chucking it down rhen I'll get up and bring the washing in, but I'd not be working and decide 'ooh I'll jist put tea in the slow cooker/do the dishwasher etc'.

I'm not a beliver in multitasking. Just strikes me as not really paying attention to the task at hand. I see people at work who are always 'multitasking' and it seems to be quite inefficient always flitting about (and often multitaskers act like they are so much more busy than everyone else when they're not).

RedSkyAtNight · 01/09/2017 20:45

he's been caught twice not working from home ...

You are allowed breaks when you are working from home!! I don't suppose OP would like it very much if her DH pointed out that she ought to be working every time she sat down for 5 minutes or posted something on MN ...

Abbylee · 01/09/2017 20:45

"Anger is guilt" my beloved Grandfather stayed out late with his bil; my mother heard them talking outside her window. The plan was to begin shouting as soon as they got through the door before gran and aunt could chastise them, in order to spare themselves the squawks. You are not bu, but he is. My dh complains but it's bc he enjoys our company. Flowers

dolcezza99 · 01/09/2017 20:47

He's working, not there to assist you with your job, ie, children and housework. Why can't you manage on your own? You'd have to if he was in an office.

IDoDaChaCha · 01/09/2017 20:47

MaisyPops 'outraged' and 'horrified' are the reactions we're seeing from those men though. Unless the women reporting are lying, which I doubt.

Would you agree to do the things he was asked then not do them and go ballistic when asked why he didn't?

There's empathising with a fellow WFHer and there's ignoring OP's DH's bad behaviour.

MaisyPops · 01/09/2017 20:48

But I do know when he is working from home and I am working he has a lunch break and fannies about with his weight lifting. That pisses me off as he totally ignored anything that needs doing in the house.
But it's fairly common for people to go the gym at lunch in some companies where they get an hour for lunch. My friends at DH's work go for a run and then shower and get back gk work.

Why should someone's lunch break be directed because they happen to be at home?

If i were married to some people on this thread I would actively seek work that never gave me the option to work from home. I'd get pissed off so quickly.

IDoDaChaCha · 01/09/2017 20:49

"Anger is guilt" rings true here. In the same way "hurt people hurt people" and "beneath anger is pain". I think he knows he was a shit and lashed out because of it.

TheDowagerCuntess · 01/09/2017 20:52

It was indeed a sweeping generalisation, MaisyPops, as my DH worked from home yesterday before catching a flight to the airport. He managed to re-hang the curtains in our bedroom (after the room being painted), place an order with a store for our upcoming reno, and walk the dog.

Only one of those things I asked him to do, and he said to me he probably wouldn't have time, but he managed to squeeze it in.

Yes, it was a sweeping generalisation - but I assumed people would realise that. Of course not all men are Too Important to pick up some house slack, and likewise, many women are unwilling to multi-task.

Ah, the luxury of not having to multi-task. Grin Maybe, one day, I will be in that place again.....

MaisyPops · 01/09/2017 20:54

There's empathising with a fellow WFHer and there's ignoring OP's DH's bad behaviour.
I've not excused his little tantrum and have said he should be doing his fair share in the house.

What i question is whether someone working full time should do the same amount of chores as someone working part time, whether it's ok for someone to dictate how their partner spends their break time etc purely because they are at home.

Maybe I'm lucky. Over the last few years DH and I have both had spells working from home and he also wasn't working for a while. Whoever worked fewest hours picked up more around the house. I think that's why i struggle with some of the 'he has been caught not working' crap on here. A break is a break to spend how we saw fit. I didnt't police DH and he didn't police me.

MaisyPops · 01/09/2017 20:58

TheDowagerCuntess
I jist don't get the kudos people get/give for 'multitasking' like it's some badge of honour for being so busy etc.

If it suits some then fine, but it's not some superior way of working like people make out, whicb you've sort of alluded to 'oh i wish i able to not multitask' sort of thing. (Not a personal dig, i think there is a culture that oddly reinforces it as a way of being).

I get the same jobs done as a multitasker. I just block time out so instead of jumling around jobs I just set time aside.
E.g. 1 hour to do x y z chores
2 hours to mark these books
Then I'll make lunch
Then I'll go to the gym
Then I'll come back and read/watxh TV

Rather than markinh books with TV on, working and just doing 10 min tasks etc

IDoDaChaCha · 01/09/2017 21:01

MaisyPops the relationship you have with DH sounds far more equal than OP's with her DH. Maybe that's where the problems lie. Living with someone who just doesn't pull their weight eventually chips away at relations between you.

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