Dd 14, back to school and new rule females pupils are not to pull up tights in front of male teachers

[catnoir]

Dd 14 had her first assembly of the year this morning, and head mistress / principle has a list of new rules, one including female students are banned from pulling up/ adjusting their 60 denier tights in front of male teachers as she feels this is inappropriate and it must be done in private in bathrooms. Surely this is crazy?

Just thank your lucky stars compulsory showers are no longer considered necessary!

Maybe the regulation skirts just need to cover more. Schools do seem to favour styles which are like knee length PE wrap round skirts. Below the knee is much more practical in terms of proper arse coverage.
Christ almighty. What century are you living in that you think a knee length skirt doesn't cover someone's bum enough and it needs to be below the knee to cover it?

Just my own personal view. I'm someone with a roundish arse, Waffley, and I know wrapover knee length loose skirts do not cover that well. (I've checked my view in the mirror bending down) so going up stairs I would feel like someone might get an eyeful. A slip helps. You only need a bag on your shoulder for everything to ride up. (I have been laughed at by small boys before when this happened when I was younger). Something more fitted does not have the same problem.

ponderingprobably
Really, what is your problem, Boney?

Its called a point of view. We are allowed to have ones that don't agree with yours.

You roll a wasteband the skirt shortens.

A shirt is not a skirt. if the skirt is worn correctly then an un-tucked shirt won't show anything.

ponderingprobably
Just thank your lucky stars compulsory showers are no longer considered necessary!

Not entirely sure what your point is with this.

Boney, I thought most schools required shirts to be tucked in. Thereby a rolled over waste and would show.

My point regarding compulsory showers is that it put teachers (and pupils) in a much more vulnerable and precarious position, whereby accusations of voyeurism (or worse) could be made. This contrasted with reprimanding children over rolled over waste bands / adjusting tights, which is much more easily dealt with, without causing offence.

ponderingprobably

The equivalent with a shirt wouldn't be un-tucked it would be un-bottoned from the top showing cleavage.

this is something that teachers (male and female) have to deal with.

Showers, surprisingly are very simple. as are changing rooms.

Nobody of the opposite sex (lets leave gender out of it for a moment) is allowed to the opposite sex's changing room.

It does mean staying outside of the room and shouting through the door with instructions, but it is why P.E teachers tend to be the same sex as the pupils.

Boney Showers and changing rooms used to be supervised and pretty much compulsory. I'd say this very much was a problem, however that is a whole other thread.

I don't get the shirt thing. They just need to be buttoned up to the collar. Our local schools seem to manage fine - without specific hoiking rules. They did bring in a logo skirt to prevent rolling. I still think there are better skirt designs, than the slightly flared rapover, regarding riding up with bags etc, though.

Most schools ask for kneed length skirts - pity you can't actually buy them in the shops - yet to find one - even longer length skirts are 4 inches a above the knee.

ponderingprobably

the thing is that whatever clothing rules are specified (whether uniform or non uniform with rules) some pupils will always try and push the boundaries, some just to the edge others all the way over. But this is coming away from what the thread is about.

the thing is that whatever clothing rules are specified (whether uniform or non uniform with rules) some pupils will always try and push the boundaries, some just to the edge others all the way over

This is not news though. This has always been the case.

Different types of clothing changes the opportunity for doing this though. A calf length straight skirt, (like the traditional WPC or army uniform) for example, does not show underwear. Hoiking , through it, would not make it ride up. A bag would not make it ride up. Calf length socks show nothing untoward when pulled up. If a skirt is longer they are warm enough. Buttoned to the top, collared shirts show no cleavage.

but posters are not talking about the gab, pinch and hoick through clothes they are on about lifting a skirt up showing underwear and adjusting.

Some are Boney. My point is with heavier straight skirts, hoiking without the skirt riding up accidently is easier. It also takes more effort for the wearer to purposely lift up a straight skirt so that underwear would show - you'd have to actually hold it up, but the tight hoiker would be holding the tights.

I'm always adjusting tights, which is why I avoid wearing them if I can. It is hard to keep adjusting them discreetly. So I can see why teenagers just do it.
However it should be a blanket rule of social etiquette rather than a male issue.

Christ this type of BS makes my blood boil. Why don't all the girls cover themselves from head to toe with only their eyes showing (unless they too are so incredibly sexual assault/rape-inducing as well that the teachers will still be unable to control their urges...).

This is so WRONG!

It's not a come-on to hoik your tights up for Christ's sakes!
It's an insult (and sexist since it would seem to implicate the male teachers) to the male teachers.

Giving these girls the message that if you do ANYTHING which COULD be construed as possibly would turn a man on, then you'd be getting what you deserved?!

Girls, take the rule as it has been given. Every time you even need to slightly adjust your tights, ask to leave to go to the bathroom.

I think this is appalling in every way.

Girls, take the rule as it has been given. Every time you even need to slightly adjust your tights, ask to leave to go to the bathroom. Disrupted lessons, girls missing chunks of lessons, yes very positive. Maybe not hoiking skirts up would be more sensible. Why are people making this so sexual? If I was a teacher I wouldn't want kids picking their noses and there's nothing sexual about that. Some things just aren't appropriate.

None of those working in school have in anyway suggested its sexual - NONE

It's just antisocial - on the same lines as nose picking, farting, burping - just unpleasantness in company

Exactly GreenTulips, teachers don't just teach a certain subject they are also preparing these girls to go out into the world and get a job or a place a uni and interact in civilized society.

Showing your knickers to all and sundry on the pretext of hoiking up your tights is attention seeking and very silly and is lacking in social graces

Why are people making this so sexual? If I was a teacher I wouldn't want kids picking their noses and there's nothing sexual about that. Some things just aren't appropriate.

Is it appropriate for girls to pick their nose in front of female teachers, but not male? If so, why?

The school have made this 'sexual' by specifying male teachers.

No we have a third hand account of what was said, highly unlikely that it was repeated word for word totally accurately.

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