Dd 14, back to school and new rule females pupils are not to pull up tights in front of male teachers

[catnoir]

Dd 14 had her first assembly of the year this morning, and head mistress / principle has a list of new rules, one including female students are banned from pulling up/ adjusting their 60 denier tights in front of male teachers as she feels this is inappropriate and it must be done in private in bathrooms. Surely this is crazy?

Sorry, not read the full thread but... tights are bloody uncomfortable, mine fall down constantly. If the school has an issue with them being pulled up they should allow the girls to wear trousers.

excuse me... are you DDs school trying to say the male teachers are all perverts and can't possibly cope if a CHILD adjusts their clothing... I would be in that principles office in a matter of minutes. what a ridiculous rule!! maybe the rule should be for the male teachers not to be perverts!!!!

If it's inappropriate, it's inappropriate in front of anyone. Why single out male teachers. Is she insinuating they will feel attracted to the girls because they pulled their tights up?! How insulting to the male teachers. If this really was a problem why do the girls have to change their behaviour. If the male teachers can't be trusted, why has she employed them?

mrstiggy

Thanks for replying

I did find that but it does not say whether its boys or girls, male or female teachers, sexual or physical assault

So i still dont know how many male teachers are being falsely accused

As i say no agenda here, just its been said a few times on this thread and I wondered what the facts were

I have only pulled my tights up once in public, they were really really bothering me. I didn't even realize I was doing it, unfortunately it was at the Chinese new year event in London so lots of people around. Hopefully their attention was on the music and the lion dancing and not on me.

I will have to ask my Vietnamese friends what they do with their ao dai but I am imagining that they would pull it up whoever was around.

If tights cause this much trouble why don't they change the uniform and replace tights with something else, plain black leggings for example. In my experience leggings don't tend to fall down as much as tights, not sure if that's just me though.

I find this terrible. As someone who wear's tights all the time through the winter I know how annoying they can be. Sometimes you are left with either trying to sort them out while being as descrete as possible or with the round your ankles. To say children can't do this when required is ridiculous. Surely in some cases they will have fallen down by the time they make it to the ladies. Plus if they are in their lessons and need to adjust their rights are they really saying they should miss class time and go to the bathroom for what would be a few seconds adjustment? Are the male teachers really unable to cope with children sorting out their tights?

Are these rules also being applied to boys who may need to arrange there uniform in some way? I would put in a complaint to the school about the blatant sexism being applied. Didn't realise we were still living in the dark ages.

It's a girls school

Well at secondary, knee socks and longer skirts were still the norm in the 80s. Over the knee socks were worn in later years with elastic bands to hold them up. They didn't show as our skirts generally covered the tops. Very tight pencil skirts, you could hardly walk in, with splits were a rebellious choice. The wardrobe mishap was risk of them actually ripping! Not that I remember it happening much. A trip to the textile department I expect would have ensued. After that you got very long ankle length skirts and boots - which we weren't allowed.

If you need to pull up tights in such a way as to expose a lot of thigh or crotch, that shouldn't be done in front of anyone male/female or pupil/teacher.

School uniforms should not include items of clothing that need regular readjustment. The school should change the uniform to something more practical.

Black knickers over the top, sorted!

I'm not sure wtf is being implied here. Is she saying that none of the male teachers can be trusted around girls in tights?? Did she also tell the boys not to adjust their nads in front of female teachers? No, I expect not. Fucking hell, what a world we live in...😞

Sadly there are girls who accuse male teachers of things. Total fantasists. Teens can be very dramatic and this seems to be one of their games for a few. I'd imagine it's not about male teachers not being able to control themselves but more about being forced into a difficult situation that can lead to accusations.

I saw this while working in a secondary school. 2 teachers careers ruined and both found not guilty but court cases took over a year and by then the damage was done. I only worked there 3 years! I also went to a girls school where many of us (not proud of this) would be very flirty towards trainees as it was "funny" to see them uncomfortable. At least half my year group behaved like this at 14.

Enforcing discretion makes sense to me.

User14 I bet you don't pull your skirt up round your waist and hoik your tights up though? Some teenage girls seem to see tights like leggings and don't see this as an issue. I have witnessed it lots of times.

Did she also tell the boys not to adjust their nads in front of female teachers? No, I expect not

Funnily enough she didn't have too because it's a girls school

excuse me... are you DDs school trying to say the male teachers are all perverts and can't possibly cope if a CHILD adjusts their clothing... I would be in that principles office in a matter of minutes. what a ridiculous rule!! maybe the rule should be for the male teachers not to be perverts!!!!

Or maybe male teachers are fed up with girls behaving inappropriately, doesn't make them perverts and doesn't mean they can't cope. We aren't talking about little tots, presumably the school will have girls of 16 and maybe 18 and they need to learn that this isn't how you behave in public. Pulling your skirt up to adjust your tights really should be done in private.

If a female teacher says, as some have on here, that they don't want to see boys adjusting their balls or with their hands down their trousers does that make them perverts? Maybe actually wanting to see it would make them perverts?

catsaresomucheasier2 I totally agree. Depressing.

If the girls are behaving in a lewd or suggestive manner when pulling up their tights this is the behaviour that needs addressing. And in front of anyone not just male teachers.

And it's being addressed, LittleGift. The girls who have more about them who don't think it's appropriate to pull up their tights in public won't have to be subjected to this attention-seeking nonsense from their cohort either, no more should ANYBODY have to put up with it.

I don't know how much of a problem the balls re-adjustment is, I don't recall seeing that at school, but the same goes for everybody. If you need to sort your clothing out, do it in private.

Perhaps the school should contact the parents of the children who do behave in ridiculous, attention-seeking and disruptive ways and tell them to parent their child so that it doesn't continue to do this.

It really isn't nice and it's just not necessary. Spare pare of knickers over the top helps enormously, but it's a non-attention-seeking measure so not first choice.

As far as the suggestion of 'malicious compliance' goes, it's pathetic and the poster who suggested it can't be serious? You'd have to be a complete numbskull to want your child engaged in that nonsense instead of what they're there to do, ie. learn?

... and why is 'depressing' littered so much across the board? Really? So debilitating for you? Or just saying it for dramatic effect?

I'm a bit surprised how many people are saying they adjust their tights in public all the time! I've never seen an adult do that, and at work I'm sure the person would be reminded quickly to do that in private.
I think the only problem is the explicit mention of male teachers, the school should have just said they must do it in private, because they need as they grow up, to learn to behave like the rest of society!
If its a problem to do with male teachers, surely they should also be checking if any females staff are gay, and telling the girls not in front of them either - I'm not suggesting that seriously, but to say its an issue connected with male teachers rather than the child's social etiquette, is unfair on male teachers.

We tell girls that they have to wear skirts, they wear tights or they get cold, tights fall down but they are not permitted to pull them up for fear of what exactly?

From little girls being told to wear shorts under their dresses (has come up often on here) to the BBC gender pay gap it shows just how far we have to go. That makes me "depressed".

Obviously hitching tights up can be done in a non-sexual way and without lifting your skirt up. My point was it's not the hitching of tights that's the problem.

people are saying they adjust their tights in public all the time! I've never seen an adult do that

To be fair it depends on your definition of adjust

I agree i have never seen a griwn woman pull her skirt up to her waist to adjust but my children have never seen a girl do that either (completely get that they have probably just been lucky )

I have adjusted the knees of my tights when i wore them and pulled up through my skirt to adjust them to just above the knee if necessary

I have seen both women and girls do this, ds1 does it with his skinny jeans

One of the issues is that we have had a third hand account of what the Head actually said. As a teacher explained earlier the message that goes home isn't always 100% what was originally said so perhaps the Head said no more pulling skirts up to adjust tights, maybe she didn't mention male teachers or maybe she said in front of male and female teachers and the child hasn't repeated it word for word.

As for the depressing thing I find it depressing that people don't want 16 or 18 year old girls coming out of school understanding that they shouldn't be pulling their skirts up in public.

*I have adjusted the knees of my tights when i wore them and pulled up through my skirt to adjust them to just above the knee if necessary

I have seen both women and girls do this, ds1 does it with his skinny jeans*

Yes, they sound reasonable in 'public', and it sounds like they could do this while seated at a desk, so I don't think anyone will mind, or even notice, if they still do that. I suspect the school is referring to something a lot more public.