Dd 14, back to school and new rule females pupils are not to pull up tights in front of male teachers

[catnoir]

Dd 14 had her first assembly of the year this morning, and head mistress / principle has a list of new rules, one including female students are banned from pulling up/ adjusting their 60 denier tights in front of male teachers as she feels this is inappropriate and it must be done in private in bathrooms. Surely this is crazy?

Yup

There has to be black and white rules as shades of grey just cause way more issues and confusion

It's unlikely she'll need to lift her skirt up

The fact that they DO is the problem

It's the lifting up of the skirt to adjust the tights that is the problem. I allow girls to give their tights a tug in front of me. I don't allow the full hiking up of the skirt to yank them up by the waistband with both hands. I'm not a man and my classroom is an all female environment, it's just not something that you do in public.

If you need a rule at all (and I'm not convinced that tight hoiking would be enough of a problem to need a specific rule) then it should be more along the lines of "No adjusting underwear and tights in public". Not specifically aimed at those pesky girls flaunting their 60 denier tights at those poor vulnerable male teachers

Yeah, this.

'pesky girls'... 'poor vulnerable male teachers'.

Nobody says that, not unless they want to be goady. Why not remove the emotive words and see how the sentence reads then? Perfectly well. That's why you won't... needs to be attention-grabbing!

"Not specifically aimed at those pesky girls flaunting their 60 denier tights at those poor vulnerable male teachers "

Next time there is a complaint about not enough males in traditionally female roles you should think about those that post this stuff.

Probably those are the mothers that did the 'tights hoiking' thing back in the day for attention and their daughters are chips off the old block. Poor things, nobody's interested in them and their thick-witted antics.

I wasn't being goady. I was arguing for a rule which applied to both sexes and which protected all teachers, rather than a rule aimed at girls in order to protect male teachers - the OP made it clear that the Principal was very clear that the rule was for the benefit of male teachers.

Why do we dress girls in tights that need hoiking and which are uncomfortable and itchy and obviously a distraction from learning?

Tampons should be changed when they need changing, not at arbitrary breaktimes So the poster said they had just had a break, are you saying changing a tampon five minutes early would cause a problem? You must have a restricted life for one week in 4.

A period isn't something that can be planned on arbitrary timings. But it wasn't a period suddenly starting, it was changing a tampon which can be planned for, most women and girls manage that.

Why do we dress girls in tights that need hoiking and which are uncomfortable and itchy and obviously a distraction from learning? Probably because teenagers prefer tights to ankle socks.

Next time there is a complaint about not enough males in traditionally female roles you should think about those that post this stuff. How true, in a recent thread about careers I was saying it goes both ways, my son is a nurse and he is brilliant with kids but wouldn't go into paediatric nursing because of the risks and I got a load of sarcasm.

A uniform that's so impractical that it needs to be readjusted constantly is a bloody ridiculous idea.

No schools have uniforms where I am. Much better,

I used to be a senior HR manager, to those of you who think this is appropriate can I just say if a candidate came into an interview, lifted their skirt and adjusted their tights I wouldn't have given them a job. Plenty of candidates who behave appropriately.

I wouldn't have given a job to a male candidate who dropped his trousers and adjusted his underpants either.

Probably because teenagers prefer tights to ankle socks Not that I'd want to deflect you from your usual anti-female stance Granny, but this is a school uniform and it is compulsory. It's a girls only school and presumably, education is pretty important. The head seems to have a thing about girls adjusting the thick tights she requires them to wear, so rather than get her own knickers in a knot why not introduce a more comfortable and conducive to learning uniform?

Perspicacia, I think you're being disingenuous. As a ratio, how many complaints of sexual harassment have been levied at female teachers as opposed to male teachers?

When you write things like 'pesky girls' you're effectively trying to silence those whom you feel are not working at the same agenda as you. This really isn't a feminist issue, it's a fairness/decency one and it's applicable across the board.

The rule safeguards everybody, whomever it might be 'set up' for. Everybody is protected by it. From those who might be perpetrated against to the innocent. What is there to complain about?

So are you saying they can't wear socks? All schools I know the girls have a choice of socks or tights. So are we to believe that tights are compulsory?

I find the accusation of being anti-female quite funny, spent most of my career promoting equality. When I started work in the 1960s the discrimination was truly terrible, I find it quite funny how women now are apparently all constantly terrified, need safe spaces and don't know that hoiking up their skirts to adjust their tights is inappropriate. When I remember how women fought for equal roles in the police force (other places as well but I obviously was more aware of my own work place) I wonder why we bothered.

So yes if not understanding why people on here get hysterical about transgender people, or girls being asked to adjust their tights in private, yes sure I am terribly anti female. Just funny how no one who knows me has ever noticed and never once in my HR or police career been accused of it. The only time I have been accused of bias was when I was selecting candidates for advanced driver training in the police and my list was all female. I was challenged by my Chief Supt and explained when the list was what it was and he had to agree it was right.

To all the teachers on here I sympathise, kids need reminding how to behave and if parents react like this it must be very disheartening.

The difference is between her having a discreet word and shouting across the room she needs to change her tampon to deliberately cause an unnecessary disturbance.

This^^

The same is the difference between hoiking up your tights and making a big show of pulling up your skirt.

You must have a restricted life for one week in 4

Actually yes I do. For 48 hours per month I actually struggle to leave the house. Some months are worse than others. This month has been appalling.

So yes. I can well envisage a situation where I could change and tampon and need to do so 10 mins later.

Again, I absolutely couldn't give the tiniest flyingest fuck if she did that.

You are so ridiculous that it's funny. Please carry on

LyingWitch - my agenda is simply to suggest that the rule be less controversial if it applied to all pupils who might choose to adjust their clothing at inappropriate times. It may be that the rule then impacts more on girl's behaviour than boys. It may be that some teachers apply the new rule to male pupils readjusting themeselves in class as well as female pupils hoiking up their tights. Why create a very narrow rule which seems destined to be divisive?

I feel the same about rules relating to hair (for example natural colours, not shaved and tied away from the face during PE and science) rather than having different rules for boys' and girls' hairstyles.

I hope the boys have been told not to adjust their balls in front of female teachers?

Really? Well the 'going to the loo in classroom time' seems to be relaxed for girls and isn't for boys. Periods notwithstanding, girls are generally given latitude that boys are not.

Why make a giant fuss about a rule that stops girls from hoiking up their skirts to adjust their tights? Many do this. Some do it for attention. Whichever, it's unnecessary for it to be done in public and, if girls don't have enough wherewithal to determine it's to be done in private only then they need to be told. Those that aren't doing this will not mind. If boys are wearing skirts and tights then the same will apply to them.

It could be a general rule to include boys but that would clearly be ridiculous as the skirt-hoiking is done by girls, not boys. Should we write breastfeeding law for men also, just on the off-chance that one might be impotently doing this? I'm not sure what your point is but it's distracting.

As I said originally and which you seem to have failed to read despite being keen to tell me I am wrong, is that the rule should be along the lines of "Do not adjust underwear (including tights) in public". Covers everyone. Covers ball juggling and tight hoiking. And nobody can say that girls are being targeted unfairly.

I never suggested saying boys shouldn't adjust their tights in public. You are making stuff up that I didn't say.

I didn't say that you did. Boys generally don't wear skirts or if they do, I'm not aware that tights are an issue.

What you are doing though is making a terrific fuss about a rule (that affects specifically girls) being levied to girls. That is what this thread is about. That's what the OP was about.

I don't disagree with you that a generic rule might be more appropriate but that doesn't make this one wrong (in my opinion).