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AIBU?

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To say 'no' to a date because of this?

250 replies

BossyBitch · 25/08/2017 23:20

I'm totally prepared to be told IABU, but please read the backstory before deciding - I'll try to keep it reasonably short:

I've recently met a man and he's asked me on a date. It's definitely not love at first sight by any means, but he's nice enough and we have some interests in common. Under different circumstances, I might consider accepting and seeing how it goes, but he's unemployed and, even if he weren't, would be looking at a salary of about a third of my own. And this is kind of a deal-breaker for me.

I'm divorced, and exH has always made a lot less than me. This led to me losing almost half of what I owned and of my pension in the divorce. He also used to be insanely jealous of my professional situation - both in the sense that he envied me for being the main breadwinner and in that he actually seemed to feel personally threatened by my career, which is admittedly important to me.

Being asked out by this guy has brought this all back. I really don't want another man who feels he has to be extra macho because his partner out-earns him. I also don't want to spend another few years paying for everything and then being given the silent-treatment because I've somehow insulted his manhood by doing so.

Then again, there's no reason to assume that other men would act like this just because my exH does - and I do feel like a horrible snob for turning someone down due to this.

So, AIBU to say no to a date because he doesn't have a job and - even if he did - comes nowhere close to my own earning potential?

OP posts:
Pooppants · 27/08/2017 18:13

Once I turn down a date for the same reason! I was working 5 different jobs and he would only accept a X position as he didn't want to work on a z position and rather stay on dole ! He did annoyed me for a while for a date ( I enjoy have a conversation with him as we did have some things in common , but I wasn't attracted to him physically). Best decision I made as he spend 2 years going nowhere !

sallyfox · 27/08/2017 18:19

unless your instant reaction is to say yes to a date with somebody, say thanks, but no thanks (perhaps in a more diplomatic way)

DJBaggySmalls · 27/08/2017 18:29

If he's a diva at work he isn't going to be any different in a relationship. Its also possible he's not interested in a friendship. Does he have a lot of female friends?

EnriqueTheRingBearingLizard · 27/08/2017 18:31

To be honest why date a man you don't fancy, job or no job doesn't even come into it. His personality type doesn't sound very attractive, let alone his professional situation.

expatinscotland · 27/08/2017 18:34

'Don't know why but I'm humming, I don't want no scrub, scrub is a guy that can't get no love from me...all of a sudden.'

Snap! Me, too! 'If you don't have a car, and you're walkin', oh, yes, hun, I'm talkin' to you. If you live at home, wit' your mamma, oh, yes, hun, I'm talkin' to you . . . '

BadLad · 27/08/2017 18:38

It is relevant, user - I am agreeing with her that lack of a job is something that makes a potential date a "no". Amazed that that escaped you.

Jaxhog · 27/08/2017 18:39

Of course YANBU. Why start a relationship if you already know it won't be going anywhere.

BossyBitch · 27/08/2017 18:41

Hmmm ... lots of people saying 'no' to dating people you don't fancy in general. I used to have that as an iron rule but had recently decided I shouldn't be that horribly picky.

FWIW, I'm possibly not the best pick out there either. I'm To quote a (very drunk) co-worker of mine: 'However on earth were you ever married? If you weren't out of the question because you're my boss, then you'd be out of the question because I'd be pissing myself with fear at the thought of asking you out - and I'd rather die on the spot than risk proposing to you. Your ex must be either very brave or downright insane!'

And he's not the only one who's said stuff like that to me. The thing is, I'm apparently intimidating - probably because I'm sarcastic. I'm a woman manager in a man's world - I've got to be somewhat formidable to survive. But it doesn't exactly make me a manic pixie dream girl. So I guess I can't be too picky ...

OP posts:
Booboo66 · 27/08/2017 18:42

I refused a date once because the mans online dating profile had a picture of him in his bedroom and he had a valance sheet on the bed. Blush I can see where you are coming from and I might question dating a man who was unemployed (but on the other side of things I am single, currently unemployed and my experience and qualifications are in relatively low paid jobs so u would hope men wouldn't think that about me.. Double standards I guess but obviously I know the genuine reasons for mine)

Mittens1969 · 27/08/2017 18:43

I confess I had an ex who couldn't drive and in the end I got sick of being the chauffeur all the time. He was sweet but clueless; he took a car maintenance course run by his church then when my car had a flat tyre he genuinely thought I could drive home on it.

We did remain friends but I didn't regret finishing with him. Grin

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 27/08/2017 18:46

You don't fancy him

And him being unemployed is no no for you what's wrong with that

I wouldn't want to go out with someone who didn't have money in between contracts is different but constantly have no money to go out me paying for everything what's appealing about that

Scarriff · 27/08/2017 18:47

I think you are right to refuse given your history. A friend of mine wont consider anyone who doesnt already own a house, for much the same reasons. It may not be offputting to some but it is to you. Ignore the carping. Your life. Good luck.

PoorYorick · 27/08/2017 18:48

Nobody in the world owes anyone a date. You can say no for any reason you like.

user1476641978 · 27/08/2017 18:52

YABU

user1476641978 · 27/08/2017 18:53

I meant to say YANBU !!

bmbonanza · 27/08/2017 19:09

You dont want to date him - whether its reasonable or not isnt the issue - dates are about emotion not reason. If you dont want to then dont - doesnt matter why

Trills · 27/08/2017 19:15

Manic pixie dream girls are shit, and most sensible grownup men wouldn't want one.

MeganBacon · 27/08/2017 19:17

There is absolutely nothing wrong with having a list of minimum criteria, and including a minimum salary on there. I've been burned by that too and would never, ever consider it again. It's just realistic. YANBU.

SunshineLollipopsRainbows25 · 27/08/2017 19:21

he's not got a job I'd decline politely. I've had exes that had no job and it was the worst!!

HoneyBeeMum1 · 27/08/2017 19:23

In my opinion, the original poster is quite right to be concerned about this man's invitation. Perhaps her mistake is mixing in the kind of society in which she is likely to encounter men of lower status. How does he intend to finance this 'date' without an income?

I cannot imagine finding an unemployed man attractive unless it is fully justified, very short-term and he has sufficient income/capital to ensure no drop in his standard of living.

I met my husband more than twenty years ago. He is a successful professional with a generous income. He is handsome, charming and intelligent. He is exceptionally well educated and socially well connected. Best of all, he quickly fell in love with me and I with him.

It is possible I might have loved him if he was unemployed, but unlikely. Any initial attraction is unlikely to have endured. I believe this is so, not because I am greedy or avaricious, but because without the intelligence and drive that has given him success my husband would not be the man I love and respect so well.

We married a year after we met and had our first child a year after that. We have since had a further four children and I am currently six months pregnant with twins.

My family is my whole world. I am able to devote myself fully to my husband and children. My reward is a husband who adores me and denies me nothing. We are as much in love today as the day we married.

Our children are enjoying a charmed and privileged upbringing due to my husband's hard work and success. We have beautiful, successful and happy children, confident in the knowledge that everything for them is possible.

A man with no job or a job on a low salary could not have done that. How could we have been as happy if everything was a struggle? If we couldn't afford the best for our children and I was reduced to paying someone else to care for my family while I went to work. The prospect is unthinkable.

These are reasonable considerations, so original poster, you are definitely not being unreasonable.

JetBoyJetGirl · 27/08/2017 19:23

Just out of curiosity, what is a manic pixie dream girl?

I'm not most men's taste either. Not in the same way as you, but the effect is the same.

I also know what you mean about re evaluating your criteria, but I think that fancying someone has to be right at the very top of that list. Whatever else is on there.

Anatidae · 27/08/2017 19:29

Quiverful, honeybee? Or another cult?

Lovemusic33 · 27/08/2017 19:29

Bossy I think I'm a bit like you, anyone that takes me on is brave Grin but I won't settle for someone I don't fancy, my standards are high and if I can't find someone that ticks my boxes I would rather stay single.

Maireadplastic · 27/08/2017 19:30

Sarcastic and formidable? I fancy you, OP. No need to dumb or soften it down. Your someone's dream.

Maireadplastic · 27/08/2017 19:31

PS: Are you real, Honeybee?