Male beauticians and waxing!!

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This is based on a friends experience, not mine and it's not so much a AIBU. But we've been discussing it at length and I'm interested in others thoughts.
So would you be ok with a male beautician doing intimate waxing? Would it depend on quite how intimate, so a bikini wax would be ok, but a all off not so much?

I'm not actually sure myself. A part of me thinks it's no different to a male doctor or nurse and I'd be fine with that. Definitely wouldn't have a problem with any other beauty treatments being done by a man, but waxing that invloves no underwear, I'm not sure!!

@AmazonEcho I meant

Why do people tie themselves on knots trying to force others in to giving body autonomy up. It baffles me

Yes. It baffles me too. Particularly as it always seems to be women who have to do the "giving up"

Me too


Man "Dont touch me"
The World "Ok no problem"

Woman "Dont touch me"
The World "Why? Whats wrong with you? Are you racist/sexist/transist/prudish/from 1950s/homophobic/have issues. Explain why do you do not want to be touched. We demand to know and if we do not like your answer we will force you to change it by calling you names and picking apart you reasons."

I am a man and do not have waxing.

I cannot imagine any woman I know wanting a man to do this- or at least be given the choice to have it done by a woman.

Yes, and any woman who wants to maintain her right to choose who touches her has to have good, acceptable reasons. Just not wanting it is not enough.

Amazon I, like ferrets and thousands of other women have been raped and sexually assaulted.

My response to makes for intimate procedures is not controllable. It is a panic attack response. This includes hairdressers, dentists etc

It's interesting you think women should 'get a grip'. I have psychotherapy to deal with what happened and the effect it has in my life; and medication for anxiety etc

'the ability to 'get a grip' is something a lot of women spend their lives trying to re-gain. Mostly though, we give up trying to pretend to be all 'cool girl' about it and minimise situations which cause problems

And you don't have to have been sexually assaulted to not want a man touching you.

It is absolutely fine just not to want him to.

I assume the anti-male brigade are worried because they think someone'll be getting the rocks off on it all. How about lesbians? Would you turn them down?
Comments like wanting a female chaperone to see a male OBGYN - get a fucking grip.

Just spotted this little gem.

Thank you Amazon your comment proves the point wonderfully.

Because a women chooses who can touch her body she is:
Anti men
Homophobic
Needs to get a grip.

Can I ask Amazon why you feel the need to name call and belittle another person for their choice on who touches them?

The NHS recommends female chaperones to protect male HCP. It is certainly not law and I think it highly unlikely that there would be a female chaperone present if a man was doing intimate waxing. That would mean that the salon would effectively have to employ two people to do the job rather than one. Hardly cost effective.
I sure the majority of male waxers would be professional but having been inappropriately touched by a male GP in the days before female chaperones (I later found I wasn't the only one) I think it likely that perverts would start doing this if they realised it was an option. Unlike HCP they wouldn't have to do extensive training and enhanced DBS checks and as I said, no female chaperone.

I hate that misogynists always wheel out lesbians. You share space with lesbians so you should share space with all males, how does someone even do the mental gymnastics to make that work?

Women and girls have the right to privacy and dignity, they gey to decide their boundaries which may differ as women and girls are not a homogeneous group.

Women and girls can say no, this shouldn't be criticised, just respected.

And, actually, I would support a man who didn't want to have his testicles waxed by a woman too..........

And incidentally, I call bullshit on all the "I wouldn't even notice" brigade.

I would definitely notice in a 'huh, that's interesting, don't see many male beauticians' way. I wouldn't not notice. But that would be the extent of it. It wouldn't occur to me to think I'd prefer a different therapist

I've had umpteen male gynaecologists rummage around in my vag during the course of my fertility treatment, and multiple male Drs examine me rectally, and at least one male physiotherapist treat me therapeutically for pelvic pain issues via the back passage. I've had male massage therapists dig their entire body weight into my buttocks - knickers on but pulled right back to get full access to my bum cheeks.

A male therapist doing a bikini wax wouldn't phase me in the slightest

I am very very fortunate to have never (yet) been the victim of a sexual assault. I can completely understand why others may feel very uncomfortable and refuse to have a male therapist / prefer not to have a male HCP touching their bits

My views are shaped by my experiences - as I've only had positive experiences in my personal and professional encounters with men, I wouldn't give it more than a cursory 'huh'. Our experiences are all different - I completely respect everyone's preferences. But some of us genuinely wouldn't be phased by a male waxer.

Was Amazon just a fleeting but delightful visitor? A flower blooming just for a day?

Well personally it's up to you but I'd feel happier with a male than a female as women make me anxious and I'm much more relaxed around men.

But again it's totally personal choice as it's your body.

- I completely respect everyone's preferences.

And thats all thats needed.
I respect a persons choice to allow a man to wax them.
I have no wish or right to question why they are happy with it.
I just dont understand why that courtesy does not go the opposite way.

What about women makes you anxious coin?

I can't see a single post where anyone has even suggested that anyone should be touched against their will.

Where is it.

Bertrand - Again, I know you judge people by their post count and spend enough time on here to know usernames but they aren't good things. Jumping on every thread to repeat yourself and miss the point isn't positive either.

DamnDeDoubtanceIsSpartacus

Disagreeing with another woman doesn't make you a misogynist. I think criticism is important. It makes you think about your beliefs and choices. Being shielded from it does nobody any favours. People who want safe spaces don't do well in the real world.

I think the reason that "lesbians are wheeled out" is that there's surely a sexual element that people are worried about when they want male-free spaces.

I find other women intimidating and bitchy. I feel much more comfortable around men.

That's odd coin, it's men that actually do the intimidating, the hurting, the violence. Strange that you are scared of the sex that doesn't do those things.

Bitchy is used when women have an opinion, men have comments written of as banter.

the anti-male brigade 😂😂😂

Not a chance.

@DamnDeDoubtanceIsSpartacus

Do you think it's fair to say that only men intimidate, hurt and do violence? Seems entirely unreasonable to me.

Where did @Coin say she was scared?

I don't think you're properly reading her post.

I can't see a single post where anyone has even suggested that anyone should be touched against their will.

Calling women the anti men brigade.
Telling them to get a grip about wanting female chaparones when males are attending them
Pointing out "would you feel the same about lesbians"

This is language used to make the women feel her choice is wrong. So yes there are posts suggesting women should be touched against their will.

The above list is taken from your own post Amazon.

I think the reason that "lesbians are wheeled out" is that there's surely a sexual element that people are worried about when they want male-free spaces.

But lesbians, being women, don't commit the vast majority of violent and sexual crimes. That's men. So a man, of any persuasion, is more of a threat to a woman than a woman is, even if that woman is gay.

No. I would not let a male beautician was my pubes off.