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AIBU?

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AIBU to suggest exP stays overnight to support DD with SEN and MH problems?

163 replies

FeistyColl · 14/08/2017 17:38

DD (12) has an ASD and extreme anxiety. She has been unable to attend school for over 3 years and is now funded to be educated at home. She has extreme separation anxiety and following a traumatic event 2 years ago has not been able to cope with me leaving the house without her. I have had to give up work and spend every day with her. I split from ExP before she was born but he has been involved in her life from the start, albeit largely on a visitor basis.
ExP and his dw live about 45 mins drive away from us. They have been together since DD was a baby and they have been married 8 years - no dc. I live alone with DD.

ExP visits DD here twice a week (6.30- 9 pm) and comes every other Saturday until about 10 pm. DD hates it when he goes, and often gets very distressed. She anticipates him leaving and this spoils her time with him. I have asked if he could stay later so that he could settle her to sleep, but he says he doesn’t feel safe driving that distance home on his motorbike late at night (he has a number of quite serious health issues). DD’s MH has deteriorated yet further - she self-harms and has talked about wishing she was dead. I suggested to exP that during the school holidays he could stay over on a couple of occasions (he teaches so is free) in order to give DD a full day without the stress of him leaving. He has done this once and it was a real success. DD was able to relax and they were able to go out and enjoy the day with no time pressure knowing her Dad wasn’t going anywhere. She coped absolutely fine when he left the next day.

But, I have received an email from exP’s dw which includes “Finally, I find it unreasonable for you to expect (exP) to spend whole nights at your house, whatever the circumstances.”

So before I reply, I need to know, AIBU to suggest he stays over for DD’s sake?

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booloobalooloo · 14/08/2017 17:47

Well I have to say I wouldn't like my partner sleeping at his exes. Insecure of me maybe. But yes I'd feel it inappropriate. I understand why you asked but I wouldn't be happy with it.

Goldmandra · 14/08/2017 17:49

I have two DDs who have gone through similar difficulties so I get where you're coming from. However, if I was your ex's wife, I would probably feel very suspicious of this request.

I don't think it's reasonable for her to contact you about this. It is something she should be discussing with your ex and I would probably respond suggesting that in the nicest possible way.

Do you think it would help if you offered to stay elsewhere for that night? This could reassure his wife, give you a break from caring and might also help your DD learn to manage time away from you.

Tiptoethr0ughthetulips · 14/08/2017 17:49

YANBU at all. It's for your DD and worked well when tried previously. The wife should not be directly contacting you but discussing it with her DH.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 14/08/2017 17:49

Tbf if I was his DW I'm not sure I would be happy with my DH staying over at his ex's 3 times a week.

EggysMom · 14/08/2017 17:51

YANBU to make any suggestion, at all, that might help the child that you are both bringing up. However, he is within his rights to disagree with the suggestion.

ExP's DW is unreasonable to express any opinion on the matter.

CosmicPineapple · 14/08/2017 17:51

She has a point. I do understand why you want this but as his wife she is not unreasonable to say she is not happy.

Does the seperation anxiety stop DD from staying at dads overnight?

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 14/08/2017 17:52

ExP's DW is unreasonable to express any opinion on the matter.

Hmm

She certainly isn't being unreasonable to express concern about her DH staying over the night at his ex's house 3 times a week.

Allthewaves · 14/08/2017 17:53

I get where u r coming from totally but it would be pretty rough for his wife.

Is there a middle ground - both him and wife stay or u stay somewhere else or dd at his house with u staying

youarenotkiddingme · 14/08/2017 17:55

I'd email back

"Dear DW, it is perfectly acceptable for me to ask XP something which will help his DD. The decision whether to comply with this request is his alone and not something you or I need to discuss."

sparklymarion · 14/08/2017 17:56

Honestly I don't think anyone cares comment without I depth information of a special needs child.

As a wife I think you're being unreasonable as a full time carer of a child with special needs I can completely see where you are coming from

Maybe your daughter needs to meet the wife.

FeistyColl · 14/08/2017 17:58

Thanks for replies. Goldmandra the issue wouldn't arise if I could go out! I know it is difficult to comprehend but for the last 2 years I have been unable to leave the house unless dd is with me. I'm not looking for advice about dealing with anxiety as we are under CAMHS and a whole raft of experts who curriculum help. Things so it is not a case of simple solutions. Dd has severe and comes mh problem

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Venusflytwat · 14/08/2017 17:58

I don't think it's reasonable for him to stay over at yours tbh.

If he's a teacher can't he turn up after breakfast during school holidays / weekends and get full days with her that way?

I hope she improves soon, poor girl, it sounds like life is pretty hard for her (and you) ATM.

FeistyColl · 14/08/2017 17:59

Piglet it certainly would not be 3 times a week. I suggested occasionally

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Sistersofmercy101 · 14/08/2017 18:00

I can see the reasonable, sensible logistics of why you proposed what you did. YANBU... I can ALSO see why ex's dw has objected - she is not being unreasonable either. But your DDs mh issues need the three of you to work a compromise that works for all of you - most importantly DD! I think that a response along the lines of " I'm trying to do what's best for DD, I understand it's going to impact all of us, I'm willing to compromise - any ideas or suggestions so that we can find one, we're all comfortable with " - this would reaffirm that your interests are benign and totally about a practical solution for DD and that you have no nefarious intentions - without actually saying anything about her assertions. Good luck 🍀

FeistyColl · 14/08/2017 18:04

I am happy to look at compromises. Dd has known his dw all her life but they are not close. Dd has stayed with them in the past but her anxiety has rocked over last 3 years. And nothing has helped

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DailyMailReadersAreThick · 14/08/2017 18:08

She certainly isn't being unreasonable to express concern about her DH staying over the night at his ex's house 3 times a week.

She's certainly being unreasonable to "express" it to her husband's ex and not her husband.

I would stop engaging with your ex's wife, OP. This is between you and your ex, and it isn't unreasonable for you to ask him to stay over - your priority is, and should be, your daughter. He's a grown up and can say yes or no.

swingofthings · 14/08/2017 18:10

I don't blame her, not nice to know your OH is spending the night at his ex.

Could there be compromises? Would your daughter be ok with him staying over but you spending the night elsewhere?

Clearly your DD has special needs that need accommodating, but at the same time, it's important that she learns about convention and that these can't be broken just because it is what she wants.

What happens if she starts saying that it makes her feel much better when her dad stays over so much that she would want it every time he visits?

MistressDeeCee · 14/08/2017 18:13

YANBU to suggest it. As long as you're open to the idea he may not agree to. & its logical that his DW won't want him sleeping over at his ex's house. She's not going to put up with that simply because you have a child together. I can fully understand why you suggested it though but it isn't going to work. Talk to your exH hopefully a solution can be found but it won't be sleeping at yours

wrenika · 14/08/2017 18:15

I think you're being a bit unreasonable. If him staying over works, then that could just lead to that becoming a new necessity to the routine of his visits, and that's not fair on him.

Callamia · 14/08/2017 18:20

I don't think that this is unreasonable. You're clearly putting your daughter first, and so should he be. If it works well, then why not do it again.

I think I'd feel proud of a husband who put his child first, rather than irrationally insecure. What does HE think? (Assuming he's allowed an opinion of his own).

CheshireChat · 14/08/2017 19:05

This may be wildly inappropriate for a number of reasons, but could you invite both of them to stay over?

Then your ex's DW wouldn't feel uncomfortable.

DixieNormas · 14/08/2017 19:10

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Sparklepants · 14/08/2017 19:34

I don't think yabu but I don't think she is either.

Could you offer for her to come as well? She's his DW and obviously been around a while. Might make her understand the circumstances a bit better.

Kleinzeit · 14/08/2017 19:49

I don't really know if you are being unreasonable or not....

On the one hand, in usual circumstances it's a no-no for an ex to stay in an ex-partner's house for anything less than a one-off life-or-death emergency, which this isn't. On the other hand I know families whose kids have have ASCs and they end up making all kinds of unusual arrangements, whatever works.

But...

If him staying over works, then that could just lead to that becoming a new necessity to the routine of his visits, and that's not fair on him.

I do agree with this concern. If you are keeping her out of school and staying with her all the time and "nothing has helped" then your ex staying over might not help her underlying anxieties either. It's not as if you're even getting a respite if you have to be there too. In the short term she might have a nicer time with him but her anxiety and refusal to let go could get worse. And that's not fair on DD either.

It might work better if your DD has to make an effort herself and give up something in return for an overnight stay with her father. That effort might be, to let you go out while DH stays. Or to go to DH's house herself without you. Something that big. Sometimes kids with ASCs turn out to be better at handling a "big" change to routine than a small one, especially if it involves a change of location as well. Sometimes the same anxiety triggers don't fire in a new place.

Miserylovescompany2 · 14/08/2017 19:50

That's what your ex's wife thinks - what does your ex really think? Or his he using his wife as a conduit to channel his own unease?

What support are you getting, OP?