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To think the police are a bit of a let down? (Lots of swearing inside)

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DuckAndPancakes · 11/08/2017 09:48

Yesterday afternoon, I went to go to the supermarket with my friend and two children (1 & 7). As I went to pull into the supermarket, a car came around the round about, not indicating. I braked and in frustration, threw my hands up.

The car in front stopped dead in front of me as I pulled in to the car park and the passenger, a middle aged woman, came up to my window and started shouting and screaming at me.
I said that I was frustrated as they hadn't used their indicator on the roundabout and that it's possibly going to cause an accident for someone.
She told me I was "a fucking joke" "ducking disgusting" "who did I think I was". At this point, I interrupted her and said that there was absolutely no reason to be shouting and swearing at me, especially in front of my young children. She then said "I don't give a fuck about your fucking children, you fat fucking cunt". Then walked off and got back in her car and drove off.

Relatively shaken and upset, I went and parked my car and got my children out. I had my 1 year old son in my arms. As we walked into the shop, my friend pointed out that the car was parked (on the double yellow lines right outside) and to get the registration. I'd left my glasses in the car so couldn't see without getting much closer, so took a photo of the car that I'd be able to zoom in on.

Was genuinely scared of going into the store knowing they were probably in there. Ran in and hurried everyone along to be able to get out asap. Went to the self checkouts and was scanning items, where this woman ran up to me, taking pictures of me and my children and telling me to smile for the camera. Shouted at me that I was pathetic and I was disgusting etc. She then came around into the self service area and was extremely up close, continuously berating me. I remained calm the whole time, didn't shout etc. She continued to go off at me right til I was walking out of the shop when she then told ME to leave her alone and I responded with "I haven't done anything, you sad old woman."

Hurried back to my car with my children and burst into tears and phoned the police to report it.

And they're going to do absolutely nothing. They won't contact the owner of the car (who was obviously her partner/husband) because "he will just deny knowledge of who she is or how to contact her". Despite the fact there's CCTV from her getting out of the car and coming and shouting at me, despite the fact there's cctv of her taking pictures of me and my children and berating me in self checkout. Despite having my friend as a witness as well as staff from the supermarket.

I just feel so .... let down. It's not even like I was going to go after a prosecution, but knowing that this woman has completely got away with this without even having a talking to from the police.

My 7 year old is completely shook up as she was scared of what this woman could or would do (though bless her, kept telling me I wasn't fat I was just cuddly).

I wish I hadn't bothered to stay calm.
My poor friend feels awful because she didn't want to start saying things to her and make it look like we were ganging up on her.

I'm just so frustrated that the police aren't even going To try. All I've been told is that the number plate is logged with the crime and that if it flags again then it will "paint a bigger picture" but at this time it's not know to them (6 month old Mercedes).

I feel completely and utterly downtrodden and down today.

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AwaywiththePixies27 · 11/08/2017 11:17

Yay a police bashing thread

Why is it a police bashing thread just because someone doesn't agree with how something was handled? Confused The police are always doing wonderful and heroic things. I.e Keith Palmer, Jed Walker etc. But just like any other organisation they are not infallible and make mistakes/sometimes don't give a shit.

AwaywiththePixies27 · 11/08/2017 11:20

the police were correct as its your word against hers.

Well the driving bit yes. But I'm not sure how store bit would he OPs word against hers with cctv available.

FoodArtFreak · 11/08/2017 11:23

OP she sounds awful and I'd be shaken certainly but I don't think it's a police matter.

It sounds like you've had some horrible experiences and are catastrophising in your thinking, which is understandable if you've had horrible experiences but I think perhaps you might benefit from some emotional support if you're starting to feel like you don't want to go out, like you're being victim blamed frequently etc before full blown depression or anxiety sets in.

You're not silly for feeling it's unfair - it is unfair. But life is often unfair and these are valuable lessons we can teach our DC. How to behave when life is unfair, how to be the bigger person and how to let go and get on with our lives in the face of adversity retaining our dignity and self worth

Flowers
Nancy91 · 11/08/2017 11:25

There just isn't time for the police to investigate these minor things, the woman sounds like a bitch though.

DuckAndPancakes · 11/08/2017 11:26

This was not supposed to be a police bashing thread at all. I've always maintained respect for the police, despite previous disappointments and frustrations.

As far as I was aware, harassment and intimidation wasn't legal.

Coldilox - maybe I was just unlucky. Maybe I was just a shitty case because I was under the influence and had trusted somebody that I knew. I don't know. Evidently, my frustration is to do with my own circumstance and not the work that you, or others, do.

If, when I'd phoned the police (101) with regards to all of this, they'd said to me that there was nothing that could be done and that it wasn't a police matter it would be one thing.

Maybe I do just have the wrong expectations and shouldn't have done anything at all other than move on and ignore it all.

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AwaywiththePixies27 · 11/08/2017 11:27

Many Many years ago when me and the DCs Dad were dating. He was on his way over to mine when someone tried to mug him. Their Dad said No in no uncertain terms. The muggers were somewhat offended and promptly pulled a knife out him. We reported it straight away. An officer sat in my lounge and told my (now) ex that he shouldn't have wound the muggers up by saying no. Hmm (unbeknown to us offenders were part of a protected gang - I was new to the area).

Most other interactions I've had with police have been nothing but sensible helpful. Thankfully I don't require them often.

FlandersRocks · 11/08/2017 11:29

TBH just having her be told "that's not acceptable behaviour" would have been something

Yeah it would have been. So tell her. It's not the job of the police to tick off anyone that pisses you off.

simon50 · 11/08/2017 11:30

Sorry to say even if the police found her little would happen.

Where I live there is a small amount of social/HA housing. All my neighbours are great except for this one guy who had a drink problem and a history of violence, some with a knife, in the 8 years he lived here he had been imprisoned a few times (never understood why he was never evicted as his place would be empty for up to 9 months at a time!)

To cut a long story short, one day he turned up on my door step asking to 'borrow' money which I refused, after that there were a lot of threats and name calling, which culminated one afternoon with him pissed out of his head kicking my front door, brandishing some kind of weapon and making threats to kill me !
It took 4 coppers to arrest him, he was out the next day (on bail I assumed), it was not until a week or so later I discovered that he had been up before the magistrate the next morning and the magistrate said that he would take into consideration that he had around £1000 of outstanding fines and as he had spent the night in police cells he was free to go ! A few months later he stabbed his GF (not badly) but got 18 months and was finally evicted.
So I have little faith in our justice system.

AwaywiththePixies27 · 11/08/2017 11:30

As far as I was aware, harassment and intimidation wasn't legal.

It isn't duckandpancakes. Please look into that right to review thing. I'd also check their reg online. Bet you bottom dollar it's an uninsured & untaxed car.

SleepFreeZone · 11/08/2017 11:30

Fucking hell she is lucky she didn't do any of that to me as I turn crazy when people start with that shit. We would have both been arrested.

OP rest assured that one day she will do all of this to the wrong person and lose her front teeth as a result.

DuckAndPancakes · 11/08/2017 11:30

AS a side note, from CAB website

"Harassment is when someone behaves in a way which makes you feel distressed, humiliated or threatened. It could be someone you know, like a neighbour or people from you local area or it could be a stranger - for example, someone on the bus."
"Generally speaking harassment is behaviour which causes you distress or alarm.

The Act also says you must have experienced at least two incidents by the same person or group of people for it to be harassment."
"If you’re being harassed and you feel you're in danger you can contact the police."

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FlandersRocks · 11/08/2017 11:34

You feeling harassed and intimidated during one shopping trip where someone shouted at you is not enough for the woman to be guilty of 'harassment' or 'intimidation'...I think the definitions of both in the law require quite a bit more to have happened.

DuckAndPancakes · 11/08/2017 11:34

lol Flanders, I did tell her. Funnily enough, she didn't seem to take much notice and in fact, me calmly telling her it wasn't acceptable to shout and swear at me (especially in front of my children) wound her up more and resulted in her shouting and swearing even more and calling me a fat cunt.

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DuckAndPancakes · 11/08/2017 11:36

Getting out of the car and shouting and swearing at me
Then coming and finding me in the supermarket and shouting at me and taking pictures of me and my children.

... it's not just someone telling me to fuck off or calling me a wanker for blocking an aisle in the supermarket.

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AwaywiththePixies27 · 11/08/2017 11:36

I do not know what you were trying to achieve by flinging your arms up in the first place.

Shouty sweary woman didn't indicate. I suspect OP flung her arms up in exasperation at yet another driver not knowing the basics of a highway code.

glitterlips1 · 11/08/2017 11:38

I got attacked in a shop once and when I reported it to the police they took almost a week to go to the shop and ask for the CCTV, they then claimed it had gone missing!

FlandersRocks · 11/08/2017 11:38

The muggers were somewhat offended and promptly pulled a knife out him. We reported it straight away. An officer sat in my lounge and told my (now) ex that he shouldn't have wound the muggers up by saying no

And too right.

What would you tell your dc? Hang onto that wallet/bag against all odds? Fuck no. If someone is mugging you, let them mug you. The only muggings that go bad are the ones where the victims resist because there's then a risk they can turn into beatings/stabbings/murder depending on how much of a wrong un the mugger is.

It's not worth the risk over a bag or wallet, and the police do right to reinforce that IMO.

FlandersRocks · 11/08/2017 11:41

Who says she 'came and found you'? You. What proof do you have? None. She will say she happened to come across you again, which may well be what happened.

Kursk · 11/08/2017 11:43

^^My frieand in (red neck, gun carrying state) the USA tells me people there have 'impeccable' driving manners as beeping your horn or a hand gesture can have you shot.

Where we live is a concealed carry state, all crime is very low, as victims are allowed to fight back. No criminal wants to brake into a house and get shot.

Consequently I feel so much safer here than I did living in England, where I had stopped reporting crime as the police never did anything.

Coldilox · 11/08/2017 11:44

Duck, I won't derail the thread further, but what happened is not your fault. And any police officer who said you clearly wanted it was wrong and should not be doing this job. Flowers

DuckAndPancakes · 11/08/2017 11:45

Flanders, the CCTV and the people that were there at the self checkout when she came up to me would probably be a good indicator of the fact that she came and approached me Confused
Yknow. Whilst I was scanning my shopping after getting what we'd came for. Standing there on one side of the till where she came right up to, pointing her phone in mine and my son's faces, not in the queue.... but directly approaching me.

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AwaywiththePixies27 · 11/08/2017 11:46

If someone is mugging you, let them mug you

Do you seriously think it's acceptable for an officer to say you shouldn't wind someone up, there's a fine line between being provocative and standing up for yourself.

You missed out the other part of my post Flanders. Do you think it was right that no other action was taken because they were part of a protected gang?

Funnily enough. He didn't ask them if they were muggers before they pulled the knife out on him. But then he'd been hard at work all day. I'm sure he's a lot politer to any potential muggers he encounters nowadays in case they're the violent knife wielding kind

AwaywiththePixies27 · 11/08/2017 11:47

Who says she 'came and found you'? You. What proof do you have? None. She will say she happened to come across you again, which may well be what happened.

It was in a supermarket. CCTV will establish that.

AwaywiththePixies27 · 11/08/2017 11:50

What would you tell your dc? Hang onto that wallet/bag against all odds? Fuck no

Generally speaking I'd tell them to hit them as hard as they can and to run like fuck in the other direction whilst screaming for help. Handing over money doesn't stop you from getting hurt in the majority of cases.

Sayhellotothemoomoos · 11/08/2017 11:52

Duck and pancakes I completely understand how you feel. I've had very similar experiences and it is heartbreaking and very frustrating. Being a victim of crime and then made by the police to feel like it's your fault. We are always told to report things yet often when you do, nothing seems to happen, and at worst you're blamed.

I can only say I think you did the right thing in staying calm and ignoring her.

She must be pretty messed up to go around behaving like she did towards people.