To ask what has gone wrong in the UK

[Mumof56]

I'm talking about the latest sex grooming case in Newcastle. It's the seventh large scale sex gang scandal to hit the UK after cases from towns including Rotherham, Rochdale, Oxford and Bristol

I have seen nothing on mumsnet about this (although maybe I've missed it). This is shocking and outrageous. How has this been allowed to happen in so many areas? What is the solution?

This is "rape culture". Where are the (peaceful) protests and the show of support for these girls?

edition.cnn.com/2016/05/28/asia/pakistan-women-light-beating/index.html

s.telegraph.co.uk/graphics/projects/honour-killings/g/index.htmlbath

I think you're in denial

So your evidence is a proposal from a religious leader in Pakistan?

I think you're clutching at straws.

There's so many on Google. Go and live in Pakistan as a woman and see how you manage just walking down the street on your own.

www.thecut.com/2015/03/powerful-rape-documentary-banned-in-india.html

But you know, that's not the statistic you want, its the race one you want to blame

Please don't presume to tell me what I "want", bathilda, especially when you know less than nothing of me and my circumstances

I asked a perfectly civil question on the basis of a claim you yourself chose to make, so if as it appears you're flailing around in an attempt to deny what doesn't suit and don't have anything to back up your assertion, it might be better to just admit it rather than trying to steer the discussion in a less unwelcome direction

Yes, but dearest you could say that about a lot of countries, not just Pakistan.

What you are attempting to prove is that this particular race of person has a higher propensity to abuse than others, and you are trying to say that this is because of something inherent in their culture. it just isn't true.

Guess what Pakistan is in the top 10 countries for the worst place to live if you are a woman

www.wonderslist.com/10-worst-countries-for-women/

You are in denial.

Not at all, you are conflating desperately.

I think we will have to agree to disagree 😊

Bath have you been to Pakistan?

Of course, can't say I thought the attitudes to women were very much different to the majority of developing countries.

Its one of the reasons I donate to and work pro bono for a women's charity.

Which area did you visit?

Islamabad and rural Peshwar mainly.

What you are attempting to prove is that this particular race of person has a higher propensity to abuse than others, and you are trying to say that this is because of something inherent in their culture. it just isn't true.
Have just read (the majority of) this thread, and I think it's pretty obvious that if a culture advocates, for example, stoning of women and not men, or dubious 'honour killings' (of women, not men, decided by men in the majority) there is a tendency to see abuse of women as more acceptable (or at least, not as unacceptable) in that culture than in others as a certain level of abuse is the norm. I'm not being specific about any culture or country in particular, and am well aware that shitty ppl are found everywhere, but I think this is what pp was saying and sadly, I would agree.

So for years nothing was done about Pakistani child grooming in towns all over the country because, according to the Rotherham report, police, social workers and council officials were afraid for their careers if they said Pakistani men were abusing white girls.
Now the Labour Mp for Rotherham says what even Yasmin Alibhai-Brown has now admitted - that Pakistani men are abusing white girls - and the Labour party ruins her career.
Honestly, i'm speechless.

You lot are starting to frighten me. This must be how lynchmobs talked before going out and getting the n* who slept with a white girl.

Oh ffs really?

It doesn't seem to be a problem here in Australia. I live in an area with a high South Asian population. Actually, I was molested at 8 years old by a white 19 year old who got off,despite my parents pressing charges, because his dad was apparently a notorious 'protected' pedo. Dad found this out years later. I think most of us been trying to deal with all this high level criminality for just so long and now the perpetrators want us to blame those they've imported frankly.

So, after reading the above comments, am I to understand that race and culture are not an overriding factor?

inews.co.uk/opinion/columnists/muslim-community-still-denial-rochdale/
Do people think Yasmin is a racist?

Derxa unfortunately views about Yasmin may well be informed by the same attitudes which deny that police, social services etc are worried about appearing racist, and that actually the primary reason for inaction is a lack of concern for the victims

Somehow we're expected to believe this while watching the development of exact scenario which we're told is nonsense .... which really must be incredibly frustrating for the apologists

lack of concern for the victims That is what is at the heart of this.
Noone really gives a shit about them except when making BBC dramas.
Jeremy Corbyn has thrown Sarah Champion under the bus because she was one of the MPs who wanted rid of him. His behaviour concerning child abuse in Islington wasn't exactly stellar either.

This is where we are today. Some things quite simply cannot be said or your career is over. Even if they happen to be 100% true.
I have no sympathy for Champion though. She ignored this for years and only began to speak out when she judged that the public mood had swung far enough in the right direction. She forgot that her lefty peers hadn't swung with that mood though.
Labour, in particular, Momentum still operate the hierarchy of victim hood in which white school girls are near the bottom.

"am I to understand that race and culture are not an overriding factor?"

Yes, they are A factor, but making it about race and culture allows the overrriding factor in a huge number of recent sexual exploitation stories to be ignored.

Poor, vulnerable young women are not treated well, or believed when they report these things by many in our institutions.

There is nothing racist about noticing people of a particular background are in separate grooming gangs around the country targeting particular groups of girls. It suggests there could be cultural reasons for this commonality. Attitudes towards women being less for starters. Many reasons above pointing to this.