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Are you a feminist?

999 replies

NoLoveofMine · 06/08/2017 02:03

Yes or no...

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Pengggwn · 06/08/2017 06:27

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Coconutspongexo · 06/08/2017 06:56

I think I would probably class myself as a Quasi feminist

FanjoForTheMammaries · 06/08/2017 06:59

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LittleBooInABox · 06/08/2017 07:07

No.

I think feminism is a one way street. I see a lot on how the air conditioning in offices is sexist. And little on how the man often loses custody of children just for having a dangly thing between his legs.

I'm for equality not preferential treatment that feminism seems to symbolism now a days. It's a Shane because back in the suffragettes it was a great movement but some groups have really trashed it.

LegallyBronde · 06/08/2017 07:09

Yes. With bells on.

clearingaspaceforthecat · 06/08/2017 07:14

Yes, of course.

WellErrr · 06/08/2017 07:20

I suppose I'm wanting to include everyone in my idealistic equality, regardless of where they fit in the realms of sex, gender, sexuality, etc. I want everyone to have the same rights and freedoms, no matter whether they're straight or pansexual, whether they're gender fluid or trans

I'm a radical feminist. I agree with you that everyone should have equal rights and freedoms; I think the majority of people would.

But in some of the cases you've described, they don't want their own rights - they want to TAKE women's rights.

That's what I don't agree with.

AlpacasPackOwls · 06/08/2017 07:27

Um, I guess so. I'm another who doesn't really like the term any more because of some of the associations with it. But I believe all people should have equal opportunities. And although that has been achieved within laws etc I don't think it has generally in society. I don't hate men but I do think some men don't see women as equal to them. That's clear from the boards on here.

ScarletSienna · 06/08/2017 07:40

Yes.

VulvalHeadMistress · 06/08/2017 07:51

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SophoclesTheFox · 06/08/2017 07:52

Yes, I am.

I'm also completely unsurprised that within the first dozen replies, there were posters who not only replied no, but who couldn't help slinging an insult while they were doing it ("terf" and "man hater"). which is interesting, and perversely makes me quite cheerful about the future of feminism, because getting up people's noses to the extent that they feel the need to insult you and not just disagree with you is about the only way that political change is ever effected Grin

TipTopTipTopClop · 06/08/2017 07:53

Not particularly, because I think modern feminism is completely ridiculous. If I were on my laptop rather than my phone I'd post more comprehensively.

TipTopTipTopClop · 06/08/2017 07:56

Also, my one liner response in SAHM threads is always: do what you want, but long term SAHM-hood is not good for women in general. Here I would connect the dots to the 'gender pay gap'.

NoSquirrels · 06/08/2017 07:57

Yes.

Can't even fathom idea of not being. Who doesn't believe in equality?

Ohmyfuck · 06/08/2017 07:57

Of course.

applecharlotte · 06/08/2017 07:58

Yes.

annandale · 06/08/2017 07:59

Really not sure any more.

SophoclesTheFox · 06/08/2017 08:03

I'm intrigued with the idea that feminism in the west is now only concerned with "minutiae".

2 women a week murdered by current or former partner
Northern Irish women still unable to access their right to abortion in line with the rest of the UK.
So called honour killings and FGM still happen here, in the uk.
85,000 women per year raped in England and Wales.

Minutiae?

I'd hate to see what counts as significant.

applecharlotte · 06/08/2017 08:05

^ This

Pumperthepumper · 06/08/2017 08:07

Yep, I definitely am.

I think we need to step away from this idea of 'equality' though, and push more towards 'appropriate rights for woman' - not everyone just blindly being treated the same. So maternity leave, for example, being absolutely protected as a woman's right and it being completely out of the question for it to hinder a woman's career in any way.

larrygrylls · 06/08/2017 08:09

Interesting.

I am often asked by students whether I am a feminist. I always say that I believe in equality of opportunity for all. They say 'then you are a feminist'.

I then explain the rad fem position and that I find it condescending to women, in the UK today to believe that women do not have agency and that all their problems should be blamed on the patriarchy.

It is more complex, though, to talk about how much women should be 'compensated' for giving birth. Clearly returning talent to the workforce is positive to all. Equally, ignoring the fact that one person may have several years more actual work experience than another and saying this is discrimination is debatable.

Finally men will always have different characteristics to women due to greater testosterone levels. This, to many feminists, is a problem. Clearly, badly channelled, it does lead to problems. However it also confers some advantages.

I think a lot of feminists would rather pretend the above complex issues would just disappear and merely a result of societal pressures and the patriarchy; a position I cannot see the logic in.

We need to aim for the best opportunities for all regardless of sex, colour, class etc

SplatController · 06/08/2017 08:10

@VulvalHeadMistress

Thanks (one head to another?)

With these different outcomes in different areas and blind recruitment either exacerbating or lessening ratios of the sexes, it seems to reinforce my belief that there are basic differences between the sexes. Not that one is better or worse but that the mosaic theory fits everything I've witnessed in decades in education.

mosaic

Biker47 · 06/08/2017 08:10

No, egalitarian.

TipTopTipTopClop · 06/08/2017 08:11

So maternity leave, for example, being absolutely protected as a woman's right and it being completely out of the question for it to hinder a woman's career in any way.

Nice idea. Maybe she'll be racing back to work, maybe she won't.

What if she has 4 children? What if she takes 2 years per kid?

What about women who don't have children? How should they feel about the years they don't take off not mattering?

bambambini · 06/08/2017 08:12

It would interesting to see stats on the numbers of radfems, intersectional 3rd wavers, gender critical, pro sex work vrs nordic model fans. What do feminists actually stand for these days and what are their goals?

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