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My unborn son will live abroad, how can I be a part of it's life ?

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Youknowbest · 03/08/2017 00:09

Hi Everyone, firstly can I say I'm here because I've obviously got a huge issue forthcoming and secondly because I've read responses from people on other threads and found them to be very empathetic and considerate. Maybe I can help others at some point.

I live and work in London and was 'seeing' a Parisian French girl who was easily the nicest person I had met in recent years after a very hurtful breakup. She is 7 years older than me with a son who is 6 and they live in Paris.

Once she returned to Paris we were in fairly regular contact although I wasn't 100% convinced I was going to commit purely because of the distance. Some weeks later she told me that she was pregnant and that she was intending to keep the baby. This horrified me initially because I barely know this woman and she lives abroad. How could I possibly be a father to a child who lives abroad ? My father was very good to me and the prospect of being an absent father scared me deeply.

We retained good dialogue in spite of the difficulties and over the course of the next few months I began to be more logical about the situation and suggested different arrangements, including her moving to England. Her spoken English is pretty good and I speak next to no French. She then came to visit me in London. We had a lovely time together and started to develop very romantic feelings toward each other. At the conclusion of the weekend, she said that she wanted to terminate the pregnancy because the situation was senseless and unworkable. she was also smoking a lot at this point.

I was obviously very relieved with this news. She returned to France, booked an abortion in the Netherlands which was arranged for March. I tried to get time off work to be with her at the clinic in Holland but wasn't able too but she travelled to Holland alone and told me that the termination was successful. Because we had developed great feelings for each other and also because of the stress involved, we later booked a short holiday together to try to forget the past.

Moving on, a week before our holiday we had been messaging each other quite happily when she decides to tell me that she lied entirely about the abortion and that she was expecting the baby in October ! This was honestly an incredibly hurtful breach of trust which I thought I would never recover from. I still don't really know why she did it but I suspect she wanted to have the baby in secret to cut me out and then felt guilty about it. I wanted to cancel our holiday but my mum convinced me to be strong enough to go, so I went.

The holiday was very strange with loads of incredibly confused feelings. She was smoking heavily again and I upset her when I basically described it a child abuse to the unborn child. That said though we enjoyed ourselves well enough and had a nice time. Obviously I have no control over the situation so just try to be as civil as I can but now I'm back in England I'm struggling so hard to know what to do;

Do I

a) Try to forget the mother and the child altogether ?

b) Try to maintain contact with the child but accept that a relationship with the mother is impossible because of this huge breach of trust

c) try to find a way to forgive her and try to form some sort of relationship for the future somehow ?

I appreciate that this is a long post but I think to get good responses and advice its really important to get the details across. Thankyou so much

OP posts:
heateallthebuns · 03/08/2017 16:10

The talk of dates is really distracting. The exact dates don't matter that's not what op is asking.

You say you're not sure if you want to be a father op. But you already are! The choice is if you want to be a good father even from a distance, or a bad father who abandons his child.

You have the opportunity to be a good father and have a loving relationship with your son (and spend time in Paris Smile) take it!

Lucysky2017 · 03/08/2017 16:15

Men don't usually write as much as that.... but assuming you are who you say you are.... I would get a DNA test before anything. You can do them before birth these days. Consider learnign fluent French and moving to Paris before Brexit or at least finding a place to rent near here so you can be a big part of the life of your child if the test proves you are the father.

Haudyerwheesht · 03/08/2017 16:19

ConfusedHmm

Parker231 · 03/08/2017 16:20

I hope you have your finances sorted out. If you want a relationship with your DC you'll be doing a lot of trips to France. Whether you want a relationship or not, you are shortly going to be a father and will have a child to support.

MimsyFluff · 03/08/2017 16:20

If your first name starts with a B and your on about another city. Bring it up with on Saturday when you get back with my DC and DH. We can take the dog out for a walk and you can talk to me.

If it's not you B my friend is was going through the same thing but I thought she'd had an abortion. If it is you B I'm pretty upset you're that you wouldn't feel comfortable talking to me about this we're like family, you know me and DH have your back and will help you keep contact

SerfTerf · 03/08/2017 16:23

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00100001 · 03/08/2017 16:26

The talk of dates is really distracting. The exact dates don't matter that's not what op is asking.

Well.... it does matter if he has the dates wrong (for whatever reason) it might mean the baby isn't even his! It might all be a moot point!

00100001 · 03/08/2017 16:27

and plus - it helps us get a bettter understanding of what is going on. because for 100+ message the whole post made no flipping sense!

heateallthebuns · 03/08/2017 16:38

Mimsy - do you know op? Is that what you're saying?

MouseClogs · 03/08/2017 16:42

There are some seriously moronic and disingenuous posts in this thread. It's blindingly obvious that the betrayal referenced by the OP is the fact that this woman lied for months on end that she had had an abortion and then "oops, I lied!" at virtually the eleventh hour. No amount of acrobatics can render that somehow NOT a betrayal. However much one might have sympathy for the woman in question if one knew her circumstances intimately, it is indubitably a betrayal.

It doesn't make her an evil wretch, but it's a lie of enormous proportions and to cast aspersions upon the OP for being horrified and angry/upset is symptomatic of critically low levels of basic human empathy frankly.

Also the notion that men "don't usually write this much" is a truly bloody laughable basis upon which to doubt the veracity of the story. Some of the most verbose people I know by a country mile are men. What absolute poppycock, Jesus Christ!

Best of luck, OP. A difficult and emotionally draining situation for all concerned, regardless of any respective fault. All you can do is what you think best, and always as kindly as possible. I'd certainly get my ducks in a row and prepare for very fundamental long term changes in some form - but be prepared to reevaluate inasmuch as you can, should things change suddenly.

lovemelovemyboys · 03/08/2017 16:45

Ye pp that what I was thinking I'm like so confused about reading Mimsy post

MommaGee · 03/08/2017 16:52

if one demanded a DNA test without very good reason
The issue is the tineline doesn't match.

Sex late Jan

Would have tested for pregnancy late Feb.

Told him. Spent several months talking. She came to visit. All very nice and mushy. She decides she wants an abortion.

Abortion booked for March by which time she's past the 12 weeks cut off, they've been talking about it for ages etc.

Maybe she lied about Holland so he woukdbt come and she was in fact on 6 or 7 weeks

Mauve she lied about who the Dad was, was genuine about going to Holland because she was second trimester, changed her mind and because she cared about OP and wanted to keep him in her life, confessed she'd not gone ahead with it

Dumdedumdum · 03/08/2017 17:12

If yous aren't going to be supportive p... off
You'd better run off and post that on every thread in AIBU in that case. This is clearly not simply about how to parent a child who lives far away, that's not what most of the OP is about after all.

Saltandpepperpig · 03/08/2017 17:13

Why are some people so rude and judgemental?! You're all giving the OP a really hard time when he is the one who's been lied too here. Yes he didn't want a baby and is an idiot for sleeping with her but to just excuse her lie because he must have 'forced her' is awful - give him a break ffs. As for the dates, they do add up, only on mn can you be a week or so out and everyone start troll hunting. OP you will never get that trust back, it's an awful lie to have told, but you can't walk away from your child. Get a DNA test and if he's yours then you'll need to step up, Eurostar is cheap and quick and whilst not ideal lots of fathers only see dc on weekends/EOW. Good luck.

Raindancer411 · 03/08/2017 19:09

As harsh as this sounds, and I don't know her, so take this with a pinch of salt.... but how do you not know she slept with someone else around the same time. I think a paternity test would be best. At least then if he/she isn't yours, you have a clear conscious and she can't go after you for money in future.

MimsyFluff · 03/08/2017 19:09

heateallthebuns I hope not the whole situation isn't ideal but my friend was/is in a very similar situation. She fell pregnant very quickly and his rather wealthy so I gave him some good advice he hasn't talked about her since she was going for an abortion and is seeing someone else now. But this sounds like him shall talk to him tonight. He and DH have taken my kids on holiday so I'll find out when I call to check up on the DC.

If it's him I won't be very happy with him messing new GF around and the future mother of his child.

Gooseberrycrumble4 · 03/08/2017 19:27

Did you not get to the bottom of why she lied? Possibly she intended to go through with an abortion and felt that was what you wanted too. It's actually ok for her to change her mind and maybe she found it difficult to be upfront about it.

I would be a father to the child and a friend to the lady. Being on good terms with the mum will make parenting a child much easier.

JenTheSprtacusPuppy · 03/08/2017 20:33

We don't really have a multitude of options in that department like women do when it comes to birth control

The thing is, if anyone knows they don't want to be a parent needs to take responsibility for their own bodies, it's unwise to have unprotected sex with anyone without taking your own precautions when you know you are not ready to be a Dad.

It doesn't matter what birth control choices are available to women, if you want casual sex, it's your responsibility to protect yourself. Both sexes have highly effective methods and perhaps there would less 'accidents' if everyone wanting casual sex didn't depend on the other persons birth control choices to krevent them becoming a parent and made sure they took their own precautions. People are implying she may have wanted another baby, that maybe true, and it's odd that they didn't discuss stuff like this before having unprotected sex, she may have thought that as he is happy having unprotected sex with her, he's happy taking the risk of parenthood.

If a woman saying she had unprotected sex with a man, and isn't sure she wants to be a Mother and presenting the a, b or c things you have would be torn an absolute new arsehole at not using birth-control. You may feel you're not ready to be Dad OP but you choosing unprotected sex means you are going to be a dad. You now have to choose what type of Dad you're going to be.

There are ways around the obstacles you've mentioned, you could learn French, you and Mum could work together towards teaching child both languages for eg. Contact may not be as regular as if you were in same country, but it certainly doesn't have to be once in a blue moon either, and then the tech we have today means you can do video calls daily for the periods in between visits.

I wouldn't even think about pursuing a relationship with Mum if you don't love her, it won't work and everyone will end up hurt, best to work on bejng good parents together.

relaxitllbeok · 03/08/2017 20:52

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SnoozeTime · 03/08/2017 20:52

I think it is "normal" to feel a bit lost when you find out you are going to be a parent for the first time. It's a huge responsibility and it's a long term commitment. Whatever your relationship with the woman, your child deserves to know it's father.

Wibblywobblyfoo · 03/08/2017 20:57

I cant believe you are getting such a hard time. OP has been lied to for months. No wonder he is confused. I wouldn't trust the woman as far as i could throw her, her actions so far have been very untruthful. Please get a DNA test asap.

IonaMumsnet · 03/08/2017 21:37

Evening folks. Just a reminder that we don't encourage troll-hunting so please desist. We will delete any troll-hunting posts that are reported to us.

waitforitfdear · 03/08/2017 21:46

So the op is a friend of another poster?

Ok

Coconutspongexo · 03/08/2017 21:53

I think the other poster thinks she might know the OP but surely that's highly unlikely?!!

FluffyPineapple · 03/08/2017 21:54

OP if you are not ready to be a father don't shag around - Simple!

As regards what you have written in your OP your child and its mother would be better off without you - At least until you grow up and grow a pair!

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