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My unborn son will live abroad, how can I be a part of it's life ?

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Youknowbest · 03/08/2017 00:09

Hi Everyone, firstly can I say I'm here because I've obviously got a huge issue forthcoming and secondly because I've read responses from people on other threads and found them to be very empathetic and considerate. Maybe I can help others at some point.

I live and work in London and was 'seeing' a Parisian French girl who was easily the nicest person I had met in recent years after a very hurtful breakup. She is 7 years older than me with a son who is 6 and they live in Paris.

Once she returned to Paris we were in fairly regular contact although I wasn't 100% convinced I was going to commit purely because of the distance. Some weeks later she told me that she was pregnant and that she was intending to keep the baby. This horrified me initially because I barely know this woman and she lives abroad. How could I possibly be a father to a child who lives abroad ? My father was very good to me and the prospect of being an absent father scared me deeply.

We retained good dialogue in spite of the difficulties and over the course of the next few months I began to be more logical about the situation and suggested different arrangements, including her moving to England. Her spoken English is pretty good and I speak next to no French. She then came to visit me in London. We had a lovely time together and started to develop very romantic feelings toward each other. At the conclusion of the weekend, she said that she wanted to terminate the pregnancy because the situation was senseless and unworkable. she was also smoking a lot at this point.

I was obviously very relieved with this news. She returned to France, booked an abortion in the Netherlands which was arranged for March. I tried to get time off work to be with her at the clinic in Holland but wasn't able too but she travelled to Holland alone and told me that the termination was successful. Because we had developed great feelings for each other and also because of the stress involved, we later booked a short holiday together to try to forget the past.

Moving on, a week before our holiday we had been messaging each other quite happily when she decides to tell me that she lied entirely about the abortion and that she was expecting the baby in October ! This was honestly an incredibly hurtful breach of trust which I thought I would never recover from. I still don't really know why she did it but I suspect she wanted to have the baby in secret to cut me out and then felt guilty about it. I wanted to cancel our holiday but my mum convinced me to be strong enough to go, so I went.

The holiday was very strange with loads of incredibly confused feelings. She was smoking heavily again and I upset her when I basically described it a child abuse to the unborn child. That said though we enjoyed ourselves well enough and had a nice time. Obviously I have no control over the situation so just try to be as civil as I can but now I'm back in England I'm struggling so hard to know what to do;

Do I

a) Try to forget the mother and the child altogether ?

b) Try to maintain contact with the child but accept that a relationship with the mother is impossible because of this huge breach of trust

c) try to find a way to forgive her and try to form some sort of relationship for the future somehow ?

I appreciate that this is a long post but I think to get good responses and advice its really important to get the details across. Thankyou so much

OP posts:
SittingAround1 · 03/08/2017 14:25

It's too late to decide if you want to be a father or not. Your decision is now if you want to be a good or a crap father.

SophoclesTheFox · 03/08/2017 14:26

The law in France is abortion up to 14 weeks from the first day of the last period. If she conceived at the end of January, then her last period must have been beginning to middle of January, so she would have been able to get a termination in France up until mid to end April. So no need to go to the Netherlands in March. Why did she tell you that, OP? Did she actually tell you that?

Youknowbest · 03/08/2017 14:26

'Try being a decent human being for a change'

  • unfair comment. You don't know anything about me
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Politicspanda · 03/08/2017 14:29

Oh FFS. If you don't want to be a father, wear a condom. Seriously.

You're allowed to have doubts, you're allowed to be scared, you're allowed to feel betrayed by someone lying to you, but you don't get to have unprotected sex and say you don't want to be a father.

aginghippy · 03/08/2017 14:30

I just don't really know if I want to be a father I guess.

Too late for that, you will be a father. You need to stop thinking about what yourself and start thinking about what's best for your future child.

Youknowbest · 03/08/2017 14:31

Perhaps I got mixed up myself and the 'abortion' was in April then.

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Fresh8008 · 03/08/2017 14:36

Having lied about the abortion is grounds enough to ask for a DNA test. I dont think you need to make a decision just go visit you child and see how it plays out.

How would you feel if she married another french man and settled down with you being pushed out?

RebeccaWrongDaily · 03/08/2017 14:42

i got pregnant on NYE for definite baby was due 25th Sept. Was born towards the middle of October

pinkyredrose · 03/08/2017 14:45

If you didn't want a baby why didn't you use contraception?

Or did you assume that was her responsibility?

Liiinoo · 03/08/2017 14:51

My birth father bowed out of my life when I was a few months old. I never saw him again. My mum was with another man by then and it was decided that him going NC would be the best thing for me. They were wrong. I would much rather have seen him 'once in a blue moon' than not at all. Not knowing him has left a massive gap in my life and caused self esteem issues that still effect me now even though I am in my late fifties and have had years of therapy.

DixieFlatline · 03/08/2017 14:55

I'm not sure even Parisian women retain their youthful looks long enough to be called 'girls' at 39 years old.

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 03/08/2017 14:56

sorry if you got a shit kicking here, I feel for you and I hope some people respond sensible.

my very fast advice is:

try and shift from romantic to a co parenting/friendship type relationship

Invest in some legal advice from a EU experienced lawyer to understand your parental rights in this scenario, bearing in mind that to have parental rights you will likely need to provide some financial support

think long term, the baby years pass very fast and ultimately you will have a more meaningful relationship when the child is older

you said yourself you had very strong relationship with your dad, try and imagine this child growing up and knowing that they have a dad that loves them very much, who has their back and supported them from birth even though they were in another country

think about some level of a mediation, so that whilst you both will move on, you can agree some rules for parenting/discussion

from experience, I know that you are much more likely to get this if you provide solid, consistent and reasonable financial assistance, not to her but for your child

good luck , there is every possibility you can make this work in a way that might not be what you originally imagined growing up, but can still be a meaningful relationship

do you have siblings and parents who will like to play a role also?

MineKraftCheese · 03/08/2017 14:57

Man has unprotected sex with fertile woman
Man doesn't want to be a father

My unborn son will live abroad, how can I be a part of it's life ?
Youknowbest · 03/08/2017 15:00

I'm sure everything will normalise eventually. I've never once been cruel or resentful towards her for all this but on a secure Internet forum you can obviously convey you innermost feelings which is why the 'selfish' character sometimes comes across in me.

She actually thinks I've been brilliant in terms of maintaining contact, going to see her (even after the lie) which is why she probably wants a relationship in the future

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stopfuckingshoutingatme · 03/08/2017 15:03

Liiinoo, well said

I hope OP reads that Flowers and I agree wholeheartedly

a far more useful post than the shit kicking abuse

MeanAger · 03/08/2017 15:08

I just don't really know if I want to be a father I guess.

You are a father. That's not in dispute. You created a child. Whether you never set eyes on him or not you are and will always be a father. The only choice infront of you is whether you will be a waste of oxygen father or a good father. Your concern should be what is best for your son, not whether you feel like being around him.

sailorcherries · 03/08/2017 15:29

Christ on a stick.
Woman lies about abortion, man upset and scared at being a father, man worried about the future, man is at fault.

Woman can be in UK long enough to form a relationship and get pregnant, cannot reasonably relocate due to child (who wasn't an issue beforehand), man must consider moving. Man doesn't want to move, man is a bad father.

Mother is from another country. Father must learn other language for child and travel, mother has no responsibility for teaching child English or helping facilitate contact.

This man has been lied to about becoming a father for the past 5 months, he now has 2 months to adjust, and he is at fault and the woman is the victim!?

Whatever you do OP get a paternity test and talk this through with close friends and family who can help you, because they actually know you.

Dustbunny1900 · 03/08/2017 15:40

If you aren't up to the fathering role, please at least help pay for the child you are 50% responsible for bringing into this world ..and maybe consider a vasectomy , or at least be more careful op.

juneau · 03/08/2017 15:49

I just don't really know if I want to be a father I guess.

Okay, well that boat has sailed OP. You ARE going to be a father and to quote that that great piece of modern literature 'Boyz 'n' the hood', "Any dick can be a father, but it takes a real man to raise his child".

You're 32, not 17, and yes, you can opt out of your DC's life before it's even begun if you want to, but I think you'll really regret it if you do. Since your DC will be living in Paris and you'll be in the UK it seems unlikely that you'll ever be anything more than a 'weekend dad', but cast your mind forward a few years. Imagine you're dad to a six-year-old boy who lives in Paris, whom you've never met, whom you wouldn't recognise if you passed him in the street. How does it make you feel knowing that a little boy is growing up without a dad, because you were too immature when his DM was carrying him to step up and have a role in his life?

How might you feel, being that little boy, one day discovering that his dad lives in England, but doesn't want to know him? I think you need to ask yourself these questions and give them some very serious thought, because while this woman has been deceitful and unkind she is going to give birth to your son. I can't think of any more important role that will come your way in life. Don't let fear (and your anger at her), cloud your judgement. If you are a half decent bloke then your son will miss out hugely by not having you in his life and YOU will miss out hugely by not being a dad to him.

Dumdedumdum · 03/08/2017 15:52

Perhaps I got mixed up myself and the 'abortion' was in April then
You tried unsuccessfully to get time off work for this abortion but yet are unsure about when it was? Pull the other one.

heateallthebuns · 03/08/2017 15:52

I would say b. I don't see her actions as a breach of trust, she booked it and couldn't go through with it.

You were right to point out she shouldn't smoke.

You should try for a good relationship with your child and his mother. You can visit regularly from the uk. It sounds like the romantic relationship isn't going to work out though.

It isn't fair to expect her six year old to move to England away from everything he knows.

lovemelovemyboys · 03/08/2017 15:53

Op slightly different situation however I understand and whole heartadly sympathise. aged 18 I found out I was pregnant. At the time my husband was absolutely shitting himself. He asked me for an abortion. I was at the time devastated I didn't understand how he could ask me to do that.however I no now that he was afraid of being a bad dad but he's a brilliant one. Point is when your child is born and poops on you ( which was recorded for children's hospital) or when your little one takes his first steps or says I love you, you realise you can't imagine a moment without them. My advice don't let this fester be their for all the first moments speak French and be a bloody good dad. It's just the fear and unknown talking

00100001 · 03/08/2017 15:54

No - still not clear. Now you're syaing the abortion must have been in April? yet you said in your OP " She returned to France, booked an abortion in the Netherlands which was arranged for March. I tried to get time off work to be with her at the clinic in Holland but wasn't able too but she travelled to Holland alone and told me that the termination was successful."

It seems that you knew the exact date of the booked abortion - so was it march or april?

lovemelovemyboys · 03/08/2017 16:02

Does the whole date mixup even matter he posted about how he will cope with his baby living in a different country. Do use remember every single date its not something ud say ok my partner / gf is having an abortion on such a date il right it down on my calendar. If yous aren't going to be supportive p... off

KeiraKnightleyActsWithHerTeeth · 03/08/2017 16:10

I suggest a scroll through your phone to work out the dates.

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