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AIBU? IHBU? Are we both BU?

157 replies

GigaBite · 02/08/2017 12:35

I was wondering if PPs could read the following text conversations between XH and me and say which of us are BU? If it is me, could you say how you would handle things differently/what you would say? The exchanges are usually about contact with the DC and maintenance.

Text convo 1:
XH: What the fuck is he doing taking my daughter in to a bookies tell him he doesn't take her again ('him' is my BF)
Me: Don't know what you're talking about. Kids aren't allowed in bookies - over 18s only.
XH: DD says she was in 1
Me: Well that's impossible so she obviously wasn't.
XH: We're was she filling football coupons in then and then going home watching football to see if they won any money
Me: They were allowed to pick a few teams but they never went in a bookies, they didn't fill in football coupons, they didn't watch TV, we just told them their teams hadn't won.
XH: So you encouraging gambling now well done
Me: Oh fuck off being a sanctimonious bastard XH. No, I don't encourage gambling - they didn't know what it was, it was only a one off. You play the lottery don't you? Let them pick the numbers sometimes don't you? Fucking hypocrite! I'd be more concerned about the message your attitude to casual and excessive drinking will do to them as they grow up. Not to mention your relationships with drug and alcohol abusers.

Text convo 2:
Me: It's coming up to the end of November and you still haven't paid me any money back. You also haven't paid for the school photo. I need you to pay me back as well as your half for DD's party ASAP. When can I expect it?
five hours later
XH: I'll sort it I'm taking kids to local town lights switch on and I've booked them in to get there nails done can you make sure they dressed suitable and there hands are clean please
Me: tonight? They're not allowed nail varnish on at school so can you remove it before you bring them back in the morning.
XH: yes
next day
Me: Listen carefully XH. I specifically said to you yesterday that you would need to remove any nail varnish as the girls are not allowed to wear it to school. I don't have time in the mornings along with everything else I have to do to get them to school. You didn't listen. You also (yet again) didn't bath them and their hair is dirty and Dd2 is covered in pen. Time and time again, you are neglecting their basic needs. You are frequently late for picking them up and get here for them so late that I have to give them their evening meal - yet the fact that you have them overnight means that you reduce your child maintenance payments. Dd1 frequently returns home tired and angry which leads me to believe you are putting them to bed late. This is not working for the children. I am letting you know that this is your LAST CHANCE to prove you can look after the children properly. That means turning up on time for them, bathing them, ensuring they go to bed at a reasonable time and paying your fair share of their expenses (including paying me back the money you already owe). If you continue to neglect your responsibilities towards them you will leave no alternative but for us to reexamine your mid week contact which will probably go along with what is standard for the vast majority of other separated parents, ie. you collect them from school once a week and keep them for tea and return them home in time for a bath and bed. Additionally, I have to pay the entertainer for dd2's party on Saturday (your share is £82.50) and your half of the cost of the food, party decorations/plates/party bags/cake which will be in the region of £150 (your share £75). I expect you to pay me this by Sunday at the latest.

Text convo 3:
XH: When am I going to see the kids it's getting behond a joke now
Me: I don't know. They say they don't want to go.
Me: Also, you didn't turn up for them on Boxing Day or Tuesday. (his scheduled contact days)
XH: I couldn't I didn't have a car well there coming it's taking the piss now they won't get a choice when it goes to court why were they at your mums today you knew I was coming to pick them up
Me: Ok, because you can't go anywhere without a car? What about taxis? Actually the courts will take their views into account. I'm not sure why you're blaming me? They don't want to go so short of forcing them kicking and screaming (which i won't do to dd1 the way she is at the moment) then I don't know what you're expecting. You don't give a shit where they are the rest of the time but if you must know, I'm at work today. You know, so I can earn money to feed and clothe them since you don't feel any obligation whatsoever to help with that.
Me: You were meant to come for them at 10. You weren't here by 10 past so I took them to my mum's because I had to work. You didn't even get in touch until 10.45 so you were 45 minutes late. I have to make a plan b whenever you're meant to have them as you're so unreliable.

XH: Why couldn't you drop them at mine then on your way to work
Me: see my message above
XH: I was there at quarter past 10
XH: waiting outside for ages
Me: I messaged you at 10.11. Scroll back and have a look. You messaged at 10.40.
XH: I not arguing all the time u want to see them tomorrow what time you going to work
Me: You think I want to argue? I just want you to be a good dad and someone they are happy to visit. They deserve that but you seem more bothered about point scoring. You haven't given me a penny since May for them. That's 7 months where I've had to provide EVERYTHING for them. You don't know the half of it. You don't have to worry about half the crap I deal with yet you think you're hard done by? I will talk to them about going to yours tomorrow but every time I ask, they say they don't want to. I will let you know.
XH: You don't want to argue but you mind filling kids head slagging me off all the time
Me: Yeah, that's exactly it XH 🙄 Never mind that they are bored shitless at yours, complain to me that you don't take them anywhere, shout all the time, have insufficient clothing for them, don't brush their teeth and tell me all you do is shout, it must be because of me? When are you going to stop make my excuses whenever something in your life goes wrong? There's one common factor to all this and it's YOU.
XH: Change your getting boring now
Me: Wow, I didn't see that response coming a mile off 🙄 I tell you what's boring, having the same fucking conversation with you over and over again yet you ignoring everything I say anyway. Nothing is going to change until you accept some responsibility for the way the girls feel and stop blaming me. That's the reality whether you want to accept it or not.
XH: Just tell me what time I can pick them up in morning

Obviously these are taken completely out of context, but on the face of it, who is BU? Before I get accused of drip feeding, I will explain the context later.

OP posts:
Fairenuff · 02/08/2017 12:40

I think both of you are being unreasonable. You're just squabbling.

GandalfsWrinklyHat · 02/08/2017 12:42

You both sound incredibly childish and trying to score points. I was exhausted reading that!!

JessicaEccles · 02/08/2017 12:43

You both text all that?! Do you have massive thumbs?

SmitheringSmithison · 02/08/2017 12:44

I think you need to disengage and not get into spats with him. Looking at it in the context of above, you are both unreasonable although reading between the lines you do seem to have your children's needs in mind - but that is lost in the fact that you react to him therefore make yourself look as bad to any outsiders.

PotteringAlong · 02/08/2017 12:46

You both sound ridiculous. Especially as it's August and you're going on about Boxing Day.

ButchyRestingFace · 02/08/2017 12:46

The way you talk to each other is disgraceful.

At least try to keep a civil tongue in your heads for the sake of your poor kids instead of immediately going onto war footing whenever you disagree/aren't happy about something.

PoppyPopcorn · 02/08/2017 12:48

Pathetic.

Get a grip the pair of you and fucking GROW UP. Poor kids.

ButchyRestingFace · 02/08/2017 12:49

Obviously these are taken completely out of context, but on the face of it, who is BU? Before I get accused of drip feeding, I will explain the context later

And without context, just going on the content of the text - it's a photo finish right enough, but I'd say you pip the ex at the post for sheer long winded aggression and interminability (?).

TiredMumToTwo · 02/08/2017 12:51

You both are being unreasonable, you need to communicate without goading.

DoingTheBestICan · 02/08/2017 12:52

That is a lot of texting, some of it was quite childish and neither of you come out smelling of roses.

BeepBeepMOVE · 02/08/2017 12:53

God! I couldn't even finish, he's whiney and you are nagging. Your messages are so bloody long!

Stop being so emotional, clinical messages work best in this situation if you aren't capable of being friends.

Also don't agree with kids and betting.

Euripidesralph · 02/08/2017 12:54

You are both being entirely ridiculous and yes he sounds like a deadbeat who doesn't follow through but you absolutely delighted in being sanctimonious and attacking

Neither of you are covering yourselves in glory therw

BoneyBackJefferson · 02/08/2017 12:57

You both need to grow the fuck up.

Now waits for the context that puts OP in the right.

SilverBirchTree · 02/08/2017 12:58

I got about halfway down before concluding that you are both childish, bitter and petty.

You can't control his behaviour, only your own. Demand more of yourself. You're being so unfair to your children nitpicking and carrying on like this.

Grow up.

GigaBite · 02/08/2017 12:59

I'm definitely in the right Boney Wink

He's a shit father but my issue is in how to handle him correctly. Can anyone say what words they would use in response to his messages? Or at what point they would just stop texting back?

OP posts:
happypoobum · 02/08/2017 12:59

Have you been to CMS about the missing payments?

To be honest I just wouldn't have engaged at all in the majority of those exchanges. You are both stuck in the drama.

You need a proper schedule that doesn't include overnights midweek, and a proper payment agreement. Then try not to get sucked into all this tedious point scoring and squabbling.

PurpleDaisies · 02/08/2017 13:00

Have you been simmering over this since last October?!

GigaBite · 02/08/2017 13:02

I could have posted more recent messages but they are all along the same lines as the ones posted. I was cleaning up my inbox and re-read these from an old number and in the cold light of day, they read very differently than when I sent them.

OP posts:
happypoobum · 02/08/2017 13:02

Sorry - X post.

text Convo 1. I wouldn't have responded to his initial text so the rest of it wouldn't have happened.

text Convo 2. Wouldn't happen if you had CMS in place.

Text Convo 3. Your dig about Boxing Day derailed the whole conversation.

ButchyRestingFace · 02/08/2017 13:03

I could have posted more recent messages

Oh, go on...

No, seriously. Please don't.

Katedotness1963 · 02/08/2017 13:03

Grow up, the pair of you!

OutToGetYou · 02/08/2017 13:03

Just always say "your days are x & y, at z time. If you're not there I cannot guarantee the kids will be as I have to leave for work. You owe me £x and your monthly payment is £y"
Whatever he replies, just send that. No matter what he does, just send that.
No point arguing over it, just remind him calmly of his obligations.

How old are DC?

GigaBite · 02/08/2017 13:04

happy, cms have finally started collecting via attachment of earnings but it took over a year and it's not enough to cover even half their expenses. He is much better off than me but loves to see me struggle.

OP posts:
Quartz2208 · 02/08/2017 13:04

You need to stop sending such emotional responses. Limit texts to one maybe two sentence should be sufficient, remove all the rest and stick to texting about practical stuff only.

OutToGetYou · 02/08/2017 13:04

Oh, and let him come to collect them and if they don't want to go, tell him on the day when he turns up.

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