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AIBU? IHBU? Are we both BU?

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GigaBite · 02/08/2017 12:35

I was wondering if PPs could read the following text conversations between XH and me and say which of us are BU? If it is me, could you say how you would handle things differently/what you would say? The exchanges are usually about contact with the DC and maintenance.

Text convo 1:
XH: What the fuck is he doing taking my daughter in to a bookies tell him he doesn't take her again ('him' is my BF)
Me: Don't know what you're talking about. Kids aren't allowed in bookies - over 18s only.
XH: DD says she was in 1
Me: Well that's impossible so she obviously wasn't.
XH: We're was she filling football coupons in then and then going home watching football to see if they won any money
Me: They were allowed to pick a few teams but they never went in a bookies, they didn't fill in football coupons, they didn't watch TV, we just told them their teams hadn't won.
XH: So you encouraging gambling now well done
Me: Oh fuck off being a sanctimonious bastard XH. No, I don't encourage gambling - they didn't know what it was, it was only a one off. You play the lottery don't you? Let them pick the numbers sometimes don't you? Fucking hypocrite! I'd be more concerned about the message your attitude to casual and excessive drinking will do to them as they grow up. Not to mention your relationships with drug and alcohol abusers.

Text convo 2:
Me: It's coming up to the end of November and you still haven't paid me any money back. You also haven't paid for the school photo. I need you to pay me back as well as your half for DD's party ASAP. When can I expect it?
five hours later
XH: I'll sort it I'm taking kids to local town lights switch on and I've booked them in to get there nails done can you make sure they dressed suitable and there hands are clean please
Me: tonight? They're not allowed nail varnish on at school so can you remove it before you bring them back in the morning.
XH: yes
next day
Me: Listen carefully XH. I specifically said to you yesterday that you would need to remove any nail varnish as the girls are not allowed to wear it to school. I don't have time in the mornings along with everything else I have to do to get them to school. You didn't listen. You also (yet again) didn't bath them and their hair is dirty and Dd2 is covered in pen. Time and time again, you are neglecting their basic needs. You are frequently late for picking them up and get here for them so late that I have to give them their evening meal - yet the fact that you have them overnight means that you reduce your child maintenance payments. Dd1 frequently returns home tired and angry which leads me to believe you are putting them to bed late. This is not working for the children. I am letting you know that this is your LAST CHANCE to prove you can look after the children properly. That means turning up on time for them, bathing them, ensuring they go to bed at a reasonable time and paying your fair share of their expenses (including paying me back the money you already owe). If you continue to neglect your responsibilities towards them you will leave no alternative but for us to reexamine your mid week contact which will probably go along with what is standard for the vast majority of other separated parents, ie. you collect them from school once a week and keep them for tea and return them home in time for a bath and bed. Additionally, I have to pay the entertainer for dd2's party on Saturday (your share is £82.50) and your half of the cost of the food, party decorations/plates/party bags/cake which will be in the region of £150 (your share £75). I expect you to pay me this by Sunday at the latest.

Text convo 3:
XH: When am I going to see the kids it's getting behond a joke now
Me: I don't know. They say they don't want to go.
Me: Also, you didn't turn up for them on Boxing Day or Tuesday. (his scheduled contact days)
XH: I couldn't I didn't have a car well there coming it's taking the piss now they won't get a choice when it goes to court why were they at your mums today you knew I was coming to pick them up
Me: Ok, because you can't go anywhere without a car? What about taxis? Actually the courts will take their views into account. I'm not sure why you're blaming me? They don't want to go so short of forcing them kicking and screaming (which i won't do to dd1 the way she is at the moment) then I don't know what you're expecting. You don't give a shit where they are the rest of the time but if you must know, I'm at work today. You know, so I can earn money to feed and clothe them since you don't feel any obligation whatsoever to help with that.
Me: You were meant to come for them at 10. You weren't here by 10 past so I took them to my mum's because I had to work. You didn't even get in touch until 10.45 so you were 45 minutes late. I have to make a plan b whenever you're meant to have them as you're so unreliable.

XH: Why couldn't you drop them at mine then on your way to work
Me: see my message above
XH: I was there at quarter past 10
XH: waiting outside for ages
Me: I messaged you at 10.11. Scroll back and have a look. You messaged at 10.40.
XH: I not arguing all the time u want to see them tomorrow what time you going to work
Me: You think I want to argue? I just want you to be a good dad and someone they are happy to visit. They deserve that but you seem more bothered about point scoring. You haven't given me a penny since May for them. That's 7 months where I've had to provide EVERYTHING for them. You don't know the half of it. You don't have to worry about half the crap I deal with yet you think you're hard done by? I will talk to them about going to yours tomorrow but every time I ask, they say they don't want to. I will let you know.
XH: You don't want to argue but you mind filling kids head slagging me off all the time
Me: Yeah, that's exactly it XH 🙄 Never mind that they are bored shitless at yours, complain to me that you don't take them anywhere, shout all the time, have insufficient clothing for them, don't brush their teeth and tell me all you do is shout, it must be because of me? When are you going to stop make my excuses whenever something in your life goes wrong? There's one common factor to all this and it's YOU.
XH: Change your getting boring now
Me: Wow, I didn't see that response coming a mile off 🙄 I tell you what's boring, having the same fucking conversation with you over and over again yet you ignoring everything I say anyway. Nothing is going to change until you accept some responsibility for the way the girls feel and stop blaming me. That's the reality whether you want to accept it or not.
XH: Just tell me what time I can pick them up in morning

Obviously these are taken completely out of context, but on the face of it, who is BU? Before I get accused of drip feeding, I will explain the context later.

OP posts:
PovertyJetset · 12/08/2017 22:45

I would send a factual email stating what happened, what was aggreed. And that's it. No emotion. Just log it with him and yourself.

JigglyTuff · 12/08/2017 22:47

I would do factual too so you have a paper trail. And if you're doing that by text, take screenshots and store them in case your phone dies

I'm really sorry but with a man like this, expect nothing, and then you won't be disappointed.

Venusflytwat · 12/08/2017 22:53

I don't think I'd contact him but I'd log it in the spreadsheet. And the next time he asks it would be a no.

Maria1982 · 12/08/2017 23:45

Don't ask him why he didn't turn up - what can he possibly say which will make you feel better about it? Nothing. If you ask you are opening up to more back and forth.

Email him staying what happened - the contact time he had agreed, and that he didn't turn up. Short, factual, no emotion.
Keep records.

And hugs for you too, you deserve them.

Giraffey1 · 12/08/2017 23:50

I would not contact him. The spreadsheet idea is good - you can have a list of all the agreed contact times and what actually happened. I.e. Ex did not pick up girls as per agreement, no message to explain why / DC said they did not want to see ex / ex returned children 40 mins later than agreed etc.

Have you got the cheep phone yet? It is good that he has now emailed you. Proves he can do it if he tries! Insist he uses this to make contact with you. Don't answer the phone when he rings. Keep all the language in your email factual, formal and emotion free. Don't be draw into any arguments like the text examples you shared. If you do, you are only feeding the beast and will just end up feeling more frustrated.

Taking steps like these will help you feel more in control of things and reduce your frustration levels. It will also make it easier for you to emotionally distance yourself from his behaviour.

Fairenuff · 13/08/2017 10:46

No don't email him. He's playing games, don't get sucked in. Just maintain radio silence.

He probably did it to punish your dd for not wanting to go with him. Just keep cheerful and chipper with the children. 'Oh dear, Daddy couldn't come after all. Never mind, let's have a game of...' and distract.

Keep a note of it on the spreadsheet.

Hissy · 13/08/2017 12:00

I know this man... They are all the same these kinds of sad little individuals, the one who hate women.

He's punishing a 6yo - to show her what it's like to be rejected, and to show her that he calls the shots.

He's looking for a way to draw you in to hurt you all.

In my experience it is a case of expect nothing, but STILL you'll be disappointed.

Note it down, but never ever refer to it, let him bring it up, and then you're on the high ground. Then you say "oh the time you punished our dd? Pathetic" or similar

Don't contact him for any reason whatsoever, let him drive contact, but only if the dc want it. If they don't want to, say so.

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