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fuckingroundabout · 01/08/2017 08:09

flying alone soon with an autistic nearly three year old and a recently crusing under one. How the hell am i going to survive a flight when the toddler cant sit still for more than 30 seconds and the baby is now wanting to be on the floor consta tly. Dont even have the aisle seat so some poor sod is sat next to us!

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Greyponcho · 01/08/2017 09:37

Instead of the weighted blanket (more weight for you to carry) have you tried the Jettproof clothing range? Gives the same compression feeling without weight

Greyponcho · 01/08/2017 09:38

Also, in the news this week :
Plane grounded due to noisy child

What have you been on, user? Hmm

kaytee87 · 01/08/2017 09:39

Also op maybe a discovery box would be good? So basically a box with an easy opening lid full of everyday (safe) objects that the toddler usually sees you with but isn't usually allowed to play with.

E.g. Toothbrush, nailbrush, small Bottle with glitter in, a nappy, your keys etc etc

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cantkeepawayforever · 01/08/2017 09:45

User, for someone who works as a TA with SEN children, I do find your attitude to children with SEN somewhat unusual, to the point of finding it distressing that you work with children you so clearly have no empathy for or understanding of.

I thought you were starting a new job as head of sixth form in a smallish private school in September - will that not pay you enough to be able to fly even a short distance on a cheap airline?

inniu · 01/08/2017 09:46

I have travelled with small children including one with ASD.

Is it at all possible to have another adult fly with you? If not you have to think about how you will manage if your toddler refuses to keep her seat belt on and sit down during take off and landing. You will have to have your seat belt and infant belt on and will be quite restricted.

Also if either child needs a nappy change you have to get the 3 of you in to the bathroom.

Children being distressed is manageable it is the actual practical, physical issues I think are most challenging

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fuckingroundabout · 01/08/2017 09:49

Im sort of hoping that in a nearly full flight where I dont have to worry about someone running off with my baby that if shit really hits the fan someone will hold him, I know I cant rely on it but Im hoping someone would!

no chance of someone flying with me, Im a very lone parent and the only family I have are the ones we are going to see!

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YetAnotherSpartacus · 01/08/2017 09:50

Plus ....sod off with the suggestion she's entitled....do you know why she's flying? No.....maybe it is a holiday (which if it keeps op sane all power to her)...or she could be moving through no choice of her own or going to family after bereavement

I was on a flight once by myself, sitting next to a woman who was on a dash to see if she could see her mother before she died. She was very, very distressed. Near us were children who did scream, cry and demand to be walked around the plane (whilst screaming). I felt really sorry for my fellow passenger. She just wanted peace. It works both ways.

Spikeyball · 01/08/2017 09:51

The uncontrollable behavioural of the refusing to stay on seat sort can be sorted with a specialist harness if necessary. My older child would need that. The op will know if her child would need it.
Any behaviour that may upset others that is not actually a danger to others ie they just don't like it, is part of being around other people.

headinhands · 01/08/2017 09:52

I was on a flight last year and had a boy with autism in the row in front. He wasn't talking but was making sounds. I didn't see anyone look bothered or annoyed and I would have been happy to have assisted in anyway and I think most people would.

hoopdeloop · 01/08/2017 09:54

A lot of the advice is really good OP.
I flew with a toddler for about 3 hours (admittedly did have DH with me). In my bag I had some new toys I picked up in Poundland- dinosaurs, cars, colouring book and crayons etc. Also had lots of snacks, dummy for take off and landing (not a hope he would have a sooky sweet/drink) and I gave some calpol to help with the pressure. The biggest saviour though was definitely a fully charged iPad with some films on it

simon50 · 01/08/2017 09:54

I'm sure you could ask the other person in the row to swap seats with you. I for one would be very happy not to have to spend 3 hours next to your child!!!

I'm going to get flamed for this... The poster who said 'your children have as much right to be on the flight as they do'. SORRY not if the OP is expecting the DC to cause problems on the flight, its just plain selfish if its just a holiday flight, if you have to fly for a more pressing reason that's fair enough.
I can't see how its going to be much of a holiday for the OP as she is going to have to keep an eye on them every second they are away if the DC is as overactive as she says?

Puts on tin hat and ducks !

NC4now · 01/08/2017 09:55

I don't know which airport you're flying from but I flew through Manchester with my ASD son recently and they have a lanyard scheme, which cuts the queueing right down.
Staff are trained to look out for you and are really helpful. You could get assistance on the flight too, if you needed it (although luckily we didn't).

Do some airport stories with your three year old before you go. I took headphones for my son on the plane too, as he was struggling with the noise and could listen to one of his audio books.

Hope it's ok for you x

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Caprianna · 01/08/2017 09:58

I have flown lots with small children and been through the stages where they refuse to put their seatbelt on, escape down the aisle etc and though quite stressful you get through it.

I would say that to fly with 2 children that young is absolute madness as if one kicks off how are you going to control the situation when you have a babe in arms and you wear a seatbelt. Also like another poster say how will you go to the toilet if you need to? On my many flights you board at leasr 30 minutes before take off and you can fave delays which will increase the time you are on a plane.

I think you need to be confident that you can actually control both children before you board. The crew is not there to assist though you can be lucky I suppose. I also agree the plane won't take off if your children look like they cannot be controlled and you will be asked to leave.

SpaghettiAndMeatballs · 01/08/2017 09:59

People - kids included make noise on the plane. The worst behaviour I've seen has been from adults - a child being upset for takeoff is so completely understandable and wouldn't bat an eyelid amongst anyone but the most grumpy of people.

So my top tips (and people don't even realise I have kids with me half the time - although mine are both NT) - ipads/phone and headphones loaded up with TV (netflix and iplayer both let you download now). Try and keep to one carry on which is small enough to go under the seat in front, with sweets, aforementioned ipads, drinks (bought past security, in case you need it before the trolley comes down - plus they're cheaper), battery packs (if long flight).

When take off comes, try and act excited - I generally have to stop my kids yelling in excitement rather than fear these days. In fact, I've taken to plugging them into the devices as soon as they are in their seats so they don't even notice takeoff.

Don't take activity boxes/crayons etc. They will be dropped, and you will spend half the flight rummaging on the floor and asking those around you to do the same.

For the little one, there's actually a surprising amount of room on the floor between your legs - especially if your other child sits cross legged. It's a bit dirty, but if all else fails, it's better than a squirming upset child on your lap for hours - hopefully you'll get someone fairly easy going in the third seat/they'll manage to sit you in a row with an empty seat.

Good luck - I fly alone with my two fairly frequently, and generally it's fine.

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Caprianna · 01/08/2017 10:12

There is a difference between not flying with children and not flying with 2 children who need a high level of supervision.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 01/08/2017 10:12

Holy fuck zzzz where did you get that from???? Reading a lot in there methinks!

Fernanie · 01/08/2017 10:13

Yeah but user, what about flights that take off from and land on planet earth, not wherever your experience is based? Hmm
Where has the OP even described her kids as uncontrollable? Confused

fuckingroundabout I've flown on plenty of long haul flights (8-12 hours) where kids have been acting up, and none of them have been forced to make an emergency landing. At worst, it's one annoying day out of my life - no worse than a really bad day in the office and we've all survived plenty of those! On one flight, there were two empty seats next to me. A couple hours into the flight 2 primary-school-aged came and sat there. Fine, they were quite sweet. Until they started drawing on the backs of the seats, flinging cups of water about, squabbling at the tops of their voices. After a good hour of that, the air hostess came by and told me off but when she found out they weren't mine she took them back to their parents - who were looking sheepish a couple rows back! So if they really get out of hand you can always palm them off onto another passenger Grin

A friend of mine often takes bubble blowing solution onto the flight and finds that it distracts her toddler quite well when he gets agitated. No-one's ever objected to the odd bubble floating over their seat.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 01/08/2017 10:14

And suggesting that a shocked and upset woman who is flying to try and see a dying mother should charter her own flight is a bit inconsiderate cuntish don't you think?

grannytomine · 01/08/2017 10:15

I agree with SpaghettiandMeatballs, adults are far worse than toddlers and babies. Personally I think they should breathalyse everyone getting on a flight as the worst behaviour I have seen has always been people who have been drinking.

Do they still do skycots? I know my sister used to use them when she travelled alone with her children. If the little one is safely in a cot then OP can be free to cope with the older one. Or can you book a seat for the baby and use a carseat, I'm pretty sure my niece has done that but I don't know if it is all airlines and obviously it would be expensive.

OP if I was on the flight I would happily have the baby to let you cope with the toddler, I'm sure lots of women would help.

The idea of a 2 year old being so out of control that they can't be strapped into a seat seems very extreme and sounds like there is a problem with parenting if child is NT. Lets face it if you tackle them and get them strapped in they will probably have a paddy and eventually cry themself to sleep. I think user might be exaggerating to justify themself. 15 year old is a very different matter.

youarenotkiddingme · 01/08/2017 10:15

Hate to feed the arse hole but actually an autistic child having a meltdown has been removed form a plane in the past month. A plane cannot take off if people are refusing to put and keep belts on.

But travelling can be made easier and possible by using some of the really helpful advice provided here.

New wrapped toys
Request the 5 point harness child seat
Ask for priority check in and boarding
Get the lanyard for 'invisible disability' from special assistance
Take buggy to plane.
Sling baby to hands are free
Take snacks and drinks
iPads and favourite shows downloaded
Going to loo before boarding

And importantly ignoring all those wearing their judge pants pulled up over their heads.

youarenotkiddingme · 01/08/2017 10:17

Oh and planes don't make emergency landings. Even cabin crew in above example said if they could just get up in the air .....!