We're going to have to call a halt to Brexit aren't we?

[Hufflepug]

Lukewarm Remain voter here. Understand that the Government has to listen to 'the will of the people' and all that.

But for the love of God, now that it's clear what absolute economic suicide we're committing surely we've got to put a halt to it whilst the govt and the opposition work out what the fuck's going on!

AIBU

Leavers had no clue what leaving would mean.At present neither do the government one year on. When the government eventually work out what a leave vote will mean, then we should have another vote. Then that vote will actually represent if the British people want Brexit or not.

Remainers had no clue what remaining would mean either. There is no status quo, just look at the disparity between what the EU is now and the EEC that we actually originally voted to join.

I don't understand how people can say its economic suicide - doesn't Greece terrify you> Doesn't Italy terrify you? Doesn't the general state of EU economics terrify you?

It does me, I can't fathom why anyone would want to be tethered to this sinking ship! I don't understand why no one was in up roar at the various stages signing away our power over the previous decades.
I am very much of the Tony Benn mindset.

"WHAT POWER HAVE YOU GOT?
WHERE DID YOU GET IT FROM?
IN WHOSE INTERESTS DO YOU EXERCISE IT?
TO WHOM ARE YOU ACCOUNTABLE?
HOW CAN WE GET RID OF YOU?

Only Democracy gives us that right. That is why no one with power likes democracy and that is why every generation must struggle to win it and keep it – including you and me, here and now.

I struggle that anyone could blindly hand over our countries decision making to Eurocrats and failed MP's like Guy Verhofstadt for some big bloated experiment!

JeReviens I'm a single man if that helps

If you're hoping to persuade people to change their minds then calling them 'stupid' isn't a great way of going about it.

I'm expressing my experience re. Leavers now changing their minds

I would be careful taking that view too seriously. When you look at the vitriol spilling out at levers since the vote - Thickos, scum, " They have KILLED MY CHILDREN" Parents crying in play grounds telling their DC they will be kicked out of the UK, by the Leave RACISTS....etc etc etc...I think you will find, due to this - many leave voters keep their heads down and many say the safest thing in the face of Rabid Remainers.

August The economic issues of Greece and Italy are irrelevant as we weren't part of the Euro currency (which I always thought was a wise move)

Shatners - I am definitely old enough to be your Mother and it is not outwith the bounds of possibility that I am old enough to be your Grandmother

It seems stronger than ever now

I think some people only see what they want to see. First of all - I refer back to Tonys Benns quote above re power.

Secondly the EU is failing on so very many fronts, there is no unity within it, its failing socially, economically and politically. In Italy its economic crisis is very much laid at the door of the Euro. When we are economically tied to the block, it very much matters to us whether we are in or out of the failing Euro!

Not RTFT but sincerely hope that common sense will prevail and a halt will be called.

I doubt it though - I think we are going over the cliff to be dashed on the rocks because nobody seems to have the courage to say this is a stupid idea.

Those of you who qualify for EU (or indeed other) passports will be fine and can get out if needsbe. The rest of us, well we're just stuck with it.

Fair enough Shatners. I do feel that if Corbyn (leaver, or to be kind eurosceptic) wasn't the Labour leader that there might be a hell of a lot more opposition from the Shadow Government on Brexit. They seem to be smoothing the way quite nicely for May to do what she wants.

The only opposition seems to be from randomers (albeit intelligent and rich) such as Gina Miller.

But still have to be convinced how an immigrant taking a minimum wage job (coffee shop, courier, or even NHS) then gets tax credits, housing benefit etc is a positive benefit to the economy ?

Simon, I am an EU immigrant educated at PhD level (at no cost to the UK taxpayer) who works in a professional job. Never claimed a penny in benefits, in fact I subsidise British people on income support with my taxes (which is absolutely fine by me).

Where I live there are plenty of people like me: they are surgeons, scientists, small business owners, IT consultants...

The idea of he EU immigrants as a semi-illiterate army of unskilled workers is very misleading.

YABU It was always pretty obvious that Brexit was going to be terrible for the economy, or at least for the individual worker. We are getting what we (a slim majority of us, anyway) voted for.

One more thing, in my experience, posters or people who do not see any problems within the EU, care not for this second layer of obfuscating bureaucracy, and care not for the social problems and so on, are those who have personally benefited from the EU and only look to themselves and their immediate gains.

For myself, I feel very strongly that we must answer to our Parliament, we must make our own laws and be Sovereign. I feel its going to a shaky few years whilst we sort out - coming out of the morass of the EU, because everything to do with the EU is a complicated drawn out mess. But longer term to be able to say to my DC here is your vote and it means something - its worth it.

I am so glad we moved out of the UK. It's becoming increasingly obvious that the future their is bleak and live is going to become very hard.

Through Mind you, that's one of the few times in recent years a Tory leader/PM has said "we will do something" and they stuck to it and didn't U-turn

ShatnersWig

Italy and Spain owe Germany huge amounts of money. If Germany has a downturn the whole EU will be in deep trouble. How long will the German public put up with it if they start to feel the pinch.
Here is a link to the amounts owed between Central Banks in the Euro payments settlement system. It is clear Germany is propping up the others

sdw.ecb.europa.eu/reports.do?node=1000004859

Where is your evidence for this ? I don't see it.....

I think its maybe because you simply dont want too? Its all out there on t'interweb

August One more thing, in my experience, very few people who wanted us to remain in Europe think or thought that everything about it was perfect. Most want/wanted some reforms. I know very few even passionate Europhiles who don't want some change, so I'm not sure who these "posters who do not see any problems within the EU are".

Secondly, I assume you are a vociferous campaigner for electoral reform of the UK and wish to see the introduction of full proportional representation? Because that's the only way you'll be able to say what you want to your DC.

All I can see is the 'ah but we've voted now, so we've got to do it' argument, which given the poor lookout ahead if we do seems insane.

Sunk-cost fallacy?