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We're going to have to call a halt to Brexit aren't we?

999 replies

Hufflepug · 31/07/2017 09:51

Lukewarm Remain voter here. Understand that the Government has to listen to 'the will of the people' and all that.

But for the love of God, now that it's clear what absolute economic suicide we're committing surely we've got to put a halt to it whilst the govt and the opposition work out what the fuck's going on!

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ShatnersWig · 31/07/2017 11:51

Chazs Don't dispute that but the common currency still has a major part to play in that situation and as I said, I never agreed with the Euro and I think most people see that that has been a major mistake (look at Ireland). But then the way the markets are these days, if one major country has a recession it tends to infect everyone so a problem in China or the US could still cause us a problem, EU or not.

araiwa · 31/07/2017 11:57

If you voted brexit at the time, i think you were wrong. If you voted brexit and would do the same again today i would seriously worry about you

Orangebird69 · 31/07/2017 11:59

How very magnanimous of you araiwa 🙄

GoodStuffAnnie · 31/07/2017 12:00

Utterly ironic....can't any of you see that the reason brexit happened is BECAUSE of all the awful attitudes on this thread. Respect people.

LaurieMarlow · 31/07/2017 12:00

Totally agree with araiwa

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 31/07/2017 12:01

I am a reluctant remainder but opponent of the Euro.

However, I don't think we can ignore the potential risk of the huge imbalances in the Eurozone just because we didn't enter the Euro. Those imbalances are moving risk to otherwise stable economies. The contagion risk within the Eurozone is huge. Italy owed over EUR400,000,000,000 into the settlement system in May.

If the German car industry is hammered by the EU (and US)

www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/07/24/german-car-makers-shares-crash-allegations-collusion/

How generous will Germany feel then?

x2boys · 31/07/2017 12:04

@Lucisky my dad has exactly thecsame view as you he also voted yes in 1975.

lozzylizzy · 31/07/2017 12:05

I have actually noticed that house prices are rising where I am. Not saying its a national trend but an observation of my local area

WhatToDoAboutThis2017 · 31/07/2017 12:08

It's not economic suicide and, thankfully, Brexit will never be "called off".

Even the notion that it might be is, frankly, ridiculous.

simon50 · 31/07/2017 12:10

Glass of port.. I said minimum wage jobs. I'm not taring every immigrant with the same brush.
From his name I assume the surgeon who operated on my knee the other week was not born in this country and I'm sure has paid more into the tax pot than I have, I had to go private as if I had gone on the NHS waiting list my employer would have laid me off way before my operation !
All I know is that when I go into a coffee chain or get a delivery from amazon its an eastern block person who serves me and these poor people are on minimum wage.

Floisme · 31/07/2017 12:14

can't any of you see that the reason brexit happened is BECAUSE of all the awful attitudes on this thread.
I have to say I agree with you. I'm still a fervent remainer but one reason why I don't see any way out of this mess is the attitude I see towards leavers on threads like this.

araiwa · 31/07/2017 12:20

I think that brexiteers are at fault for the attitude of others towards them. Most of the time its like arguing with a rock

Jellybean85 · 31/07/2017 12:20

Totally agree that cancelling now would be a different form of suicide.
I voted remain but now that the vote is what it is I firmly believe we need to adhere to it.

Also let's be realistic, suicide is a ridiculous term. Even if we suffer economically we'll still continue in some form and be able to make changes and improvements in the future.

Orangebird69 · 31/07/2017 12:21

arwaia, oh, the irony.

WhollyFather · 31/07/2017 12:37

The amount of gullible groupthink on any MN thread to do with Brexit is a bit depressing.

Cameron was forced to call the referendum against his judgement because Ukip won the 2014 EU election with 4.4 million votes and he was terrified that trying to kick the EU can down the road one more time would have lost the Tories the 2015 General Election. He was right.

Nonetheless, he was sure he could win the referendum by (i) gaining some cosmetic changes from the EU which he could sell as 'reform', and (ii) rigging the referendum campaign against Leave.

In the event, the EU gave him short shrift and he came home with nothing, though this was predictable because the EU does not think it needs reforming as it is doing exactly what it was set up to do, create an undemocratic European superstate by a mixture of bribery, stealth and corruption regardless of the wishes of the citizens of the affected countries.

The lies were all on the side of the remain campaign, aka Project Fear, and a year on many can now easily be seen for what they were. Leave was not a government organisation and had no power to draw up any kind of plan for after the vote so don't blame them for not doing so. That was the government's job.

The referendum was absolutely binding because Parliament said it was. Cameron also said it was: 'When the British people speak, their voice will be respected – not ignored. If we vote to leave, then we will leave'. The government repeated this in their propaganda leaflet: 'This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide'. So drop the 'advisory' BS.

If I deal with the economic propaganda I'll be here all day and nobody will read this, so I'll content myself with saying I think it unlikely we will be offered a FTA, not because it isn't the right thing for all concerned because it is, but because a 27 member EU is impossible to negotiate with. You will have noticed Barnier is just a mouthpiece with no authority to negotiate. We will be fine without a trade deal, it's German, Spanish and French exporters who will suffer. We trade with most of the rest of the world on WTO already, not a problem. The USA, India, China, Japan all trade with the EU on WTO terms, not a problem. They don't make contributions, put up with EU directives, freedom of movement, the ECJ, etc. and nor should we.

It's true that after leaving we may suffer a short period of economic wobbles but so what, we'll come through.

The alternative is staying in the EU and finding ourselves in ten or twenty years time reduced to a series of provinces (the EU already has plans for this) off the NW shore of an undemocratic Greater Germany stretching to Turkey. Why would we want that, for ourselves or our children?

ShatnersWig · 31/07/2017 12:40

Father "The lies were all on the side of the remain campaign"

Seriously? ALL? You mean there was not even ONE solitary falsehood on the Brexit side?

simon50 · 31/07/2017 12:43

Glass of port. I don't blame immigrants for coming here and taking low paid jobs, its just the economic argument that its a benefit to us when we have people on the dole who should be filling those jobs and in my world I would starve them into doing them.
Many years ago I took a job I hated so I'm not asking them to do anything I have not done myself !

Motheroffourdragons · 31/07/2017 12:46

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Peregrina · 31/07/2017 12:47

Cameron also said it was

Cameron said that he would stay on as PM and invoke A50 immediately. He did neither of those things - he threw in the towel, immediately. So why should we be bound by what Cameron said?

Funnily enough, I missed the Remain Red bus, saying "You will be worse off", or whatever, although with the £ having declined, I was most certainly worse of for my holidays.

CatWranglersAnonymous · 31/07/2017 12:53

I think that brexiteers are at fault for the attitude of others towards them. Most of the time its like arguing with a rock

Wow araiwa Confused And your evidence for this statement is...?

MirabelleTree · 31/07/2017 12:54

I think it was Farage on TV just the day after the Referendum about the bus that did a lot of damage.

At the end of the day although there were some people who voted both ways for reasons that a lot of people would consider to be spurilous, most people will have voted for what we genuinely think is best for our children in the long term. We just don't agree in what it is and the alternative to what we voted scares us, hence why emotions run so high.

I think we do need to try to get beyond it, not that I see it happening for a long long time - and that goes for both sides, neither of which have covered themselves in glory pre and post Referendum.

FrogAndFriggit · 31/07/2017 12:57

Yanbu op, here's hoping Wine

araiwa · 31/07/2017 13:02

Brexiteers are the uk equivalent of trump supporters. Plain facts in front of their face and the considered opinions of subject matter experts are dismissed with no thought at all. They lack nuance and understanding and think their 'feelings' are more important than truth and reality.

The brexit argument literally collapsed under the weight of its own lies on the day of the result. Predictions of economic doom and gloom predicted by experts also started that same day. Farage fucked off almost straight away and he and his friends had no idea what to do next and months on they still dont- its a joke our country will suffer greatly because of all of this bullshit

Peabrain14 · 31/07/2017 13:04

I was a reluctant remainer & ideally wanted reforms. However I wish the gov would just get on with it & they seem to making a mess of negotiations.

While I agree that we are heading for some turbulent economic times I don't believe if we stayed the economy would be doing that much better. House prices in London & the SE have been crazy the last few years & I don't see how that growth is sustainable. Consumer debt is increasing & unlike the last recession interest rates can't really get any lower.

CatWranglersAnonymous · 31/07/2017 13:06

araiwa you're really not very tolerant of other people's views, are you? Hmm

I doubt you're going to suffer directly because of Brexit anyway. Just wind your neck in.