We're going to have to call a halt to Brexit aren't we?

[Hufflepug]

Lukewarm Remain voter here. Understand that the Government has to listen to 'the will of the people' and all that.

But for the love of God, now that it's clear what absolute economic suicide we're committing surely we've got to put a halt to it whilst the govt and the opposition work out what the fuck's going on!

AIBU

FanWank What part of "the referendum is not legally binding and it wasn't a vote?" is so hard to grasp?

I voted Remain, and was shocked by the small Leave majority, but would have been able to reconcile myself to the inevitable if there was any evidence that we could extricate ourselves from the EU without doing serious and irreparable damage to the UK. So far it looks as being as likely as surviving major surgery conducted with a rusty saw and an ice cream scoop. Nobody has the balls to call a halt to the whole operation, and I'm convinced nobody with any detailed knowledge of the EU thinks we can pull it off.
What worries me is: why are we going ahead with this madness? Are all MPs hoping for some superhero to come to the rescue, or is it more a case of worrying about the consequences of denying the Brexit vote? Like what, riots? Civil war?

So many leavers are now saying 'er....didn't realise this is what leave meant...er...can I change my mind'

Orangebird : I don't know any leavers that have said that... Of the two people I know who voted Leave, one IS saying that, but that's just anecdotal, obviously.

Here's a non-anecdotal one for you: Oliver Norgrove - previously rabid supporter of Brexit. HTH.

There is no point in a further referendum unless we stop being so patronising towards people who voted leave

Agree with you, Floisme. It's pointless (and untrue) saying all Leavers are thickos and all Remainers are wise. We have to look at where we are now and what's to be done about it. Many remainers have accepted that we are leaving EU, I wonder how many leavers have changed their minds and want to stay?

I don't want another Referendum (about anything, ever again - it's not the way British democracy works).

I want out Parliament to sort out this mess!

So many leavers are now saying 'er....didn't realise this is what leave meant...er...can I change my mind'

Don't know anyone who has said this. The people I know who voted to leave still want to leave!

Whilst I think a larger margin percentage wise should have been written into the referendum for such a monumental change, I voted Leave, haven't changed my mind, and know no other people who voted Leave to change their mind either.

I don't agree that it wasn't a 'vote' rather than an expression of opinion as pp is saying. David Cameron was absolutely clear that we would leave the Eu if Leave won by even by so much as one vote. He was absoluteiy clear about that; nobody voted (or would have been ridiculously naive to have done) on the basis that it was purely expressing an opinion.

Remainers voted for things to stay as they are. So yes, they knew what they were voting for, because they were voting for status quo.
Leavers were voting for a completely unknown position which 13 months on is still completely unknown.
Remainers were voting from a position of knowledge, leavers were not.

Through Doesn't matter if you agree with me. Doesn't matter what Cameron said. Legally and constitutionally, the referendum was NOT binding on our Parliament.

This situation is all of the governments (past and present) own making. by giving the Brexiters so much ammunition.

Whilst I accept it is a minority. they have never once removed one single immigrant who has failed to get a job within 3 months of their arrival, which they are allowed to do under EU rules. Giving the DM lots of great headlines.

Believe it or not, I'm on the fence. But still have to be convinced how an immigrant taking a minimum wage job (coffee shop, courier, or even NHS) then gets tax credits, housing benefit etc is a positive benefit to the economy ? Given that they are also employed by people such as Amazon or Cafe Nero who pay little tax in this country !

I read that Cameron was offered more by the EU than what he came back with, but refused it !

Recently it was reported Hammond said he felt nurses were paid too much, so we know why he wants to stay in !
These people want to drive down wages ( as they have already done in things such as the building industry ).

We also have to think ahead, as in the next 10/15 years a lot of keyboard based jobs are going to disappear, think about how you insure your car? A few years ago you had to ring round different insurance firms for a quote, today you just go on line and get 30 quotes in seconds, so all those jobs are gone. The only place where you will be able to get work will be in a care home !

If it had looked like we would have had a true union and ALL power was devolved to Brussels and our government was reduce to a parish council and tax and benefits were equal across the whole of the EU, I would have been at the head of the queue to vote to stay in !

Sorry not to namecheck you Shatners. Looks like Parliament thinks it's binding. Morally anyway. Having asked the question, it needs to be carried through.

I'm expressing my experience re. Leavers now changing their minds. Just because some of you haven't witnessed the change of mind doesn't make mine untrue! One of them was my mum, by text, this week. I have spoken to lots of others too.

A better response would be that you hadn't seen it, not 'no leaver would ever say that' WTAF sweeping evidenceless statement.

Oh, and leavers - whilst the halt on freedom of movement will cripple lower paid unpopular jobs have an effect on people legitimately coming to the uk - it will have no effect whatsoever on the 1000s of illegals, overstayers and fake student visas, who are actually the ones that cause the uk problems.

I live in a an area with one of the most pro-Leave votes in the country and know that people will take it very badly if it is stopped so fear this will not end well either way.

The cynical part of me wonders if the fact that most MPs and people in authority are wealthier than the average, live in the prosperous South-East and are Remainers is part of the problem; none of them have the will to rise to the challenge and attempt to make the best of things

twofingerstoEverything
HTH

Not really. He lost me at Faragism. I didn't and still don't think like he did. I was and still am a Leaver.

Could an exit voter please give me one example of an EU regulation that they don't like / agree with.
With justification not just 'feeling'

Through Politicians have CHOSEN to go with the 52%. That is not the same thing as binding at all. I'm not saying they are right or wrong to do so, there are arguments for both viewpoints. I do think, however, that it is important to be factually correct about things which was NOT the case during the campaign.

I think some EU regulations and policies are stupid/wrong/unhelpful, eg the ones that cause dead fish to be thrown back rather than sold or that you don't have to charge for a plastic bag if it doesn't have handles (in Malta, you get all your shopping in pedal bin bags in a lot of shops to save them the bother of charging and accounting for plastic bags used).

I still voted to remain because on balance I think that the good outweighs the bad and the UK needs EU labour. What would happen to the NHS without all those nurses from Spain and dentists from Hungary?

beebee you can't possibly say that no leave voter has changed their mind. There are 17 million of them. I know people who feel that way.

Also beebee because we are a member of the single market, we benefit economically much more than we pay in membership.

purpleleotard The Common Fisheries Policy.

The leaders of this country, from both main parties, need to have the courage to say that it's going to be an economic disaster.

If we go ahead and leave the EU, we are all losers. Every one of us will be badly affected.

The result was a tiny majorty, based on lies. Why ruin our economic future based on that?

I think the EU is also under a lot of pressure. Poland is taking a hard line on some issues that is causing tension. German car makers are under huge scrutiny and may be fined billions for collusion (not to mention the focus on diesel not electric). Racial tensions are bubbling below the surface.
Junker should retire soon.

I think there may be more scope for a reasonable compromise with the EU in the next year or two.

This whole fucking travesty - this awful mess - came about because a critical decision was handed over to the kind of people who comment on Daily Mail articles. The kind of people who thought the vote was about Islam. Stupid people who thought the Polish were taking all our jobs even though those very same people have probably never worked a day in their miserable Daily Mail reading lives.
Sorry if I sound overly angry but I bloody am.
Shatners - I think I might love you a little bit

I think the worst part is that the Leave campaign never actually had a real plan for leaving the EU aside from the vote. It's an absolute shit show, whether your are a remainer or a leaver.

Some of the biggest funders and supporters of the Leave campaign are now asking for their industries to be exempt i.e. Tim Martin (Wetherspoons) with Bar staff and James Dyson doesn't want the farming subsidies to be cut.

The Brexit vote wasn't about making lives better for the ordinary person, it's always been about making it better for those already on top.