We're going to have to call a halt to Brexit aren't we?

[Hufflepug]

Lukewarm Remain voter here. Understand that the Government has to listen to 'the will of the people' and all that.

But for the love of God, now that it's clear what absolute economic suicide we're committing surely we've got to put a halt to it whilst the govt and the opposition work out what the fuck's going on!

AIBU

Well done all. By doing silly little snipings at one another, you've nicely filled up the thread so it's almost finished. Probably precisely as mummy wanted

Shatner to be honest I really did want to know how Brexit was going was going to be stopped, as per the Title of the thread.
My views may not be the same as Remain but are shared by millions in this country, there is nothing I have said that hasn't already been said before on mumsnet by others.
Yes I may have made it easy to be a target, but I just can't understand how this far in people still think some miracle will happen and save them.

Save them?

Every word you choose is an admission just how much of a huge disaster is going to be.

We need to be saved from Brexit, apparently. Glad you finally came round.

I have rtft yet, what I don't understand is people who voted to leave without knowing if their particular reason for wanting to leave would actually change, and what the overall leave package would be.

Some people voted leave to stop EU immigration - but leaving may not stop EU immigration
Some people voted leave because of EU regs on their industries - but leaving may not mean the UK government will remove or change those regs

And so on.

I just can't understand how this far in people still think some miracle will happen and save them.
I don't want to be save, I said i can't understand you thinking this way.

Why do we need to be saved? I thought Brexit was going to improve our lives? Otherwise why are we doing it?

Do tell, I'm all ears.

On this thread there was voiced the thoughts that something would happen, and brexit would never happen, to save the remainers from leaving the EU.
Not my personal view.

The more I think on it, the less likely it seems to be. It's just so very complex, on a scale that even the negotiators haven't grasped. There are some fundamentals that I can't see them ever satisfactorily reaching agreement on, i.e. Irish border.

In the end, even the most euro skeptic Tories will see that the choice is either ...

1. a totally watered down solution that means we have a the red tape, rules, costs of the EU without any of the influence.

Or

2. extreme economic and political uncertainty on a level that they aren't prepared to contemplate.

And they'll either quietly drop it or go to the electorate again, with the kind of referendum that's been carefully constructed to give them the answer they want.

You forgot C and D

C; We get a deal have to pay for it but leave the single market. as we won't agree to the free movement.

D; We get no deal, don't pay anything and use WTO until we do work out deals, as WTO have said they are very concerned that should this happen they will ensure Uk can continue to trade from day one.

I did read somewhere that as this will cost the EU more than us, just not sure of the maths on this.

Would be interested to know the cost of implementing Brexit is to the tax payer. All those 1000's of hours of civil servants time, travel, hotel, meetings etc.

"I did read somewhere that as this will cost the EU more than us, just not sure of the maths on this"

That's not the only thing you're not sure of

Sorry thought both 1 and 2 were with a view to no exit, so no need to rejoin.

just not sure of the maths on this

Wish they'd put that on the side of a big red bus.

I know great isn't it to know the people we elect and pay are going to have to really work to earn the money they get paid.
and that we might get an opposition party instead of clones.
In years to come people will say get off your arse and vote, don't you remember the trouble when you didn't.

Ghosto so wish there was a like button.
That bus should have been used, which ever side it was used by to focus the argument would have won.

In years to come people will say get off your arse and vote, don't you remember the trouble when you didn't.

Are you saying then that Brexit, and the current political landscape in this country is well, er abit shit?

That bus should have been used, which ever side it was used by to focus the argument would have won.

but it wasn't was it? The red bus was a lie. Believed by many. So here we are. In the shit. Together.

The not paying has been commented on by MP's if we come out with no deal.
It said about it having to then be passed the the courts to decide, which would mean all assets and liabilities were weighed as in a normal divorce. While in the EU view this would mean no cash off us and cause them problems in the short term, for us it may not be a bad thing as it would then mean it was an accountancy view of what we owe instead of emotional.

For may people yes it is a bit shit, and had remain know that chasing up 1 million of the people who didn't vote would have changed this, it must be hard to not look at people who say they didn't bother to vote to not blame them for this, and wonder if only.
So many people who didn't vote have said but we thought remain would win, now blame people for voting leave.
Which still leaves people who voted leave feeling they did what they did for what we feel was a good reason.

er, mummy those that voted leave caused Brexit, not those that didn't. Jeez. You'll never get 100% turnout unless you make voting compulsary.

in which case Brexit is the will of the people, the ones who voted, so it is the fault of those that didn't vote, as their apathy allowed the leavers to win. The lost votes enabled the leave to win.

Very willing to always say me and 17 million others did this to the UK.
Are you also not willing to say had we worked harder maybe we could have got a different result?