CFN vanished, Spanish grandma, patio doors, I don't know what the hell to call this thread #5

[WhatIsThisWatt]

Hello everyone, new thread as requested. hopefully MNHQ could be so kind (as they already have been) to verify that I'm the OP from the original four threads?

Sorry again about the title NO IDEA WHAT IS GOING ON ANYMORE but I will try to keep you all updated. I'll probably not be back till the morning but THANKS for all the support and nice messages

Laughsandgiggles I think it has to be registered within 2 months then it shouldn't take more than a month to be updated once received dependant on how busy they are, although it should usually be no more than a couple of weeks.

I missed thread 4, glad I'm back on track!

You can place an object anywhere you want in your garden. I would make sure there is no damage to the doors and also that they can't open the doors onto the object and claim you made the damage.

The last thing you want is a tit for tat war of he said/she said.

So place object at a distance and take a photo showing it all.

You have installed a set of doors leading out on to my private property which is now under investigation by the local planning authority

Might be nit picking but it reads like your ownership of your garden is under investigation by the local council

the new doors are suspiciously similar to MY doors

Doesn't matter if they're the Pearly Gates, Wattyyyy - listed building so you can't just replace a window with a door, or even a window with another identical window without permission and jumping through a million hoops at every stage of the process.

I wish for your sake that this was all sorted - you are being very cheerful about it, but it must be exhausting for you. And while all this palaver is going on you can't even sit and enjoy your garden if you get a nice sunshine day.

I suspect that CFBuilders have already contravened the stipulations that the planning officers put through the letterbox, because I think they will have said not to touch, alter, move, replace or dispose of ANYTHING.

Councilhave your photos (and the updates you are sending them)and they have their own Big Bertha pics, so dodgy builders will be on a hiding to nothing (especially if you can set up a webcam or similar and catch the buggers red-handed).

I agree with whoever suggested blocking the doorway with something heavy that will prevent the doors from opening. I don't even think you need worry about damage to the door because that would only occur if they tried toped them - and that is their fault, not yours.

I wouldn't like to have to deal with this upset on my own - it's just so horrible, and I know police person said don't embellish (and I agree), but I think you must feel intimidated to an extent - I certainly would. There are six of them and one of you, and they seem to come and go as they please. However, I don't think they would do anything physically violent, but even getting sworn at and verbally abused can be terrifying.

Remember though, that you are not alone (how could you forget?) - we are here, in all of our mums net glory, from barrack room lawyers and people prepared to commit violence, to bards and minstrels who are recording their and your deeds for posterity.

You do know that this will become more famous than the Laxdaela Saga, don't you? And that the songs will be played and sung at Karaoke nights in every public house in the land?

You are Legend. (They are leg-ends!)

@WhatIsThisWatt For clarity, it was the recommendation by another poster to claim that a breach of the peace was likely to occur that I was advising against. Or any other similar tale that is used purely to get police to attend, given that the current state of affairs is not a police matter.

FWIW I wouldn't have an issue with you 'logging it', as long as you didn't expect anyone to attend. If our call centre do their job right then they will advise you to speak to a solicitor, and that it's not a police matter.

Not sure what you have in mind for placing in your garden, as long as it's not a bear trap or similar you should be fine

I actually wouldn't have an issue with the note taped to their doors either, if you were worried about this.

Have you checkedd that the notice from the council has definitely gone Watt?

Definitely block the door OP.

Delurking, it's taken a while to catch up. But the cheek of some people? Loving Ken from shop.

@GingerGenius The OP is not powerless though - she has engaged the planning department and she intends to speak to a solicitor about the matter.

These might not be the 'quick fixes' that we like to read about on a CFN thread (and I love a 'justice-served' CFN thread as much as anyone else), but they are the correct courses of action to take in this situation.

This is not what the police are for. Certainly not in the current climate.

On a legal note, if you put something in front of their door to stop them coming out, it must be something that couldn't cause harm to them. The law does not protect tresspassers property but does protect them. So it you endanger them by booby trapping something and they got injured, you could find yourself being sued as it would be a reasonable assumption that they may try to enter it, even if they aren't allowed to.

Not on CFN's side, I just don't want you getting into trouble as insult to injury!

Thank you schaden your post made me smile.

flo thanks, will try to ensure it's not a bear trap

I am getting a little worried now that the final arrival of the CFNs could actually 'Break the Internet' and you will be bigger than the Kardashian

This thread(s) have everything!!!! And totally agree with putting the cigarette butts through their letterbox

This gets more and more interesting as time goes on.

I can't believe there is still no sign of them?

kitty thank you for that information. I didn't know that.

AGGHHHH I don't know what to do.

Of course you can put anything you like in your garden so do put something heavy in front of the doors so they can't be opened. Needs to be not so heavy it can't be moved when they go ahead with rectification work obv.

As pp said, instead of asking them to please contact you at 3a, tell them to contact you in writing via your solicitor when they need permission for access for rectification work (for which they must be charged a fee but that needn't go in today's letter)

From what I've read I really don't think calling the police is necessary. It's actually been very peaceful as the CFN seem to be AWOL and apart from some grumpy builders from 100 miles away there's not actually been any contact yet. There's no threatening behaviour.

It could still just be a massive misunderstanding. Completely stupid cheeky misunderstanding. But we don't actually know the CFN have done anything maliciously.

Holy crap, the audacity of them! Whether it was the CFN themselves or the builder they must know by now that they're trespassing every time. I understand you not wanting to touch their doors but I'd be seriously considering blocking them somehow - cable ties have been suggested I know. They're clearly hoping that 'better' doors will solve the problem so they're either still pushing their luck or are so completely thick that they haven't understood the actual problem. They are in such deep shit I can't believe they're going to keep making it worse!

As said before
I have a feeling they are eneducated developers- does the property look inhabited watty? Personal effects and the like?

I honestly cant comprehend what on earth is going through cfns bloody brains

you dont just look through your kitchen window and think" ill have that. they wont mind"

Watt yes absolutely put whatever you want in front of the doors. I think waaaay back someone suggested a cable tie round the handle. I would say that was en excellent idea. It does not damage anything is easy for you to do. Bloody inconvenient to them! You are merely securing your property. Perhaps a note stuck to the window explaining no entry private property would also aid there understanding just how wrong they are! Best of luck!

Oh and yes, definitely post the cigarette butts back. I throw them back over the fence when our neighbour flicks them into our garden.