To think a double masectomy for a 13 yr old girl is child abuse

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All the adults in this girl's life have failed her.

It's truly sickening

This is Texas, coming here soon

One of the most disturbing things about the rise of the trans agenda is that it's now more acceptable to state that a boy who like stereotypically 'girly' things (like pink) and has long hair must actually BE a girl who's been magically born into the 'wrong' body (scientifically speaking this is patent bullshit) instead of him being allowed to be a boy with long hair who like pink, which is FINE.

I think our obsession with gender stereotyping has become so entrenched that it's come back to bite us in the arse.

It's now 'better' to try to become the opposite sex than to be a non-stereotypical member of ones own sex.

And btw, actual grown ass women who want tubal ligation are usually denied in the US until the age of at least 30 as they 'might change their mind' or even worse, 'might meet a man who wants children'.

It is very, very difficult in the US to find a Dr who will sterilise a young adult woman who doesn't want children.

random

Of course they dispute it, because it's a fetish and it's based on the humiliation of women. Look at the page on reddit when lots of MtT people discuss what they like to do.

Horrific ideology the transactivists pushing of their agenda. Of course transsexual people exist and have been quietly going about their lives for years. They are not the ones pushing this shit

I think our obsession with gender stereotyping has become so entrenched that it's come back to bite us in the arse.

Yeah. I absolutely don't get how anyone at all, ever, can think this progressive, when it is so very, very, very obviously not.

No 13 year old child should be encouraged or allowed to significantly (or at all) mutilate their healthy and still growing body Random. Yet you're getting so caught up in fighting for pronoun justice you're missing the point entirely.

This isn't about a load of random people of the internet saying 'she'. It's about a child that has been utterly failed by those that should be protecting her, and the public lauding them as some sort of 'right on' super supportive parents, while the parents seeking to get mental health help for their children in the same circumstances are told they're transphobes that are permanently psychologically damaging their children.

It is about lies being pedalled through the trans community and by the time these children are old enough to know who they really are, the damage already being irreversible.

It is about parents and children who want access to mental health services to help trans children come to terms with their sex being denied these services, because hormones, blockers, and surgery are the 'right' treatment (even though it denies reality, causes significant permanent health problems, and has no significant impact on the suicide rates of troubled trans youths), leaving many children with no help at all.

This entire circus is steamrolling out of control, pushed along by people like you thinking you're helping a marginalised group. You're not. Ignoring reality doesn't help anyone.

someone in the US whose daughter had a double mastectomy at 17... was very troubled, threatened suicide etc

Would the parents have let them cut off their leg if they threatened suicide because they identified as a one-legged person? Or would they have realised their child needed serious support to deal with their mental health issues? Yet wanting the removal of healthy breast tissue is considered entirely ok?

This isn't trans hatred. It's hatred of child abuse being considered commendable.

Why is no one having a honest conversation with these kids, what you like when you are teen you will cringe at 10 years later, even if it was just your hair style. I can't believe they are passing adult decisions to a teen.

Random yo do know you've just linked to a page of a TRA that says that straight men should have sex with Trans women even if they do have still have a penis and if straight men object to this they are bigots, also quite an advocate of the cotton ceiling myth or correct rape for lesbians as it actually is.
It's hardly an unbiased view is it?

Basically if a young woman/girl is troubled with how society makes her feel about her body as it changes, she's pounced upon and told it's her internal problam and she should alter herself if she doesn't like it!

random79

I see your cursory read of the Internet, and I raise you two years of reading as much about this stuff as I can!

AGP is not only undeniable, it's actually part of the criteria of being trans-, according to Stonewall.

It's highly prevalent in the trans-community, particularly among late transitioning males. It's almost a guarantee that if they are straight (i.e. attracted to women) and have a penis, they will be AGP.

AGP was not considered a good enough reason for hormones or surgery. The NHS weren't too thrilled with the idea of financing a fetish. So it became denied and went underground. Tips and tricks on the Internet about how to fool your psychologist were rife.

What's now happened, is that as it is included under the term transgender, more people are being open about it.

I find it a little difficult to stomach when people say its existence is controversial, when there are numerous sites devoted to it.

Cissification porn
Cross dreamers
Cross dressers
Female embodiment fantasy

Hell, Grayson Perry has become famous almost on the back of it. He is an open autogynephile. The Telegraph ran on an article on it!

The difference is he doesn't claim to actually be a woman.

And yes it's a damaging fetish for women. Cissification relies on the idea that women are victims.

Thanks Datun. I bow to your extensive knowledge of AGP. I struggle with it.

Hi Datun

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe one of the problems you had was that it was the medical route or nothing. That resources for therapy are being diverted elsewhere.

We were at the doctor a few weeks back who referred my child for counselling again and received a letter today basically stating there is no point as they have done all they can do.

Thankfully the private therapist who Im working my ass off to pay for my child sees has been amazing, absolutely worth every penny.

Its probably 50/50 at the moment as to whether my child will transition in future, I'm so glad I stuck to my guns, had my child been suicidal or self harming I'm not so sure I would have held so firm on it all.

The thing that also helped so much are the links that you and Prawn sent me from detransitioned people.

I check my dcs internet history regularly and they still feature heavily in it so it's all going as well as can be expected for now.

I really wish some parents could see what we have been through and realise there are other ways through this.

Also random I have had a look at Zinnia Jones Tweets this is one of my fav's
"Literally 100% of Trans people could be convicted rapists and that still doesn't actually justify excluding us from the proper restroom"
Let that sink in for a minute Random, the person you used to rebuff the assertion that a lot of MTT suffer from AGP. A man that is so unconcerned with the safety of women and girls that he would willing see us at risk from convicted rapists than use a unisex toilet.
This person has literally said that the raping of women and children matters less than a MTT right to piss in the female toilet. WTF?

TinyRick Fri 28-Jul-17 14:07:09

that video is a thinly veiled promotion for 'transing' and the Christian association is deeply disturbing.

Most probably the video was funded by interest groups. What's that ridiculous nonsense about him wearing lippy and doing ballet? How very girly .

I know I will be raising my dc to counteract this shit but I will also have to teach them to keep their opiniosn on this to themselves.

Is all this gender hype a WASP thing? How many black and Asian children are so called 'trans'? It seems like a quint essential 'first world problem'.

I am truly sickened by all this shit. All the current challenges to our Western way of like seems to come from the US. ISIS was supported and brought about by the US, trans activism, Christian fundamentalism.

I have read on here that there are underground feminist groups in the UK. Pls pm me with details so I can do my bit.

@CabernetSauvignyoni

You're right, I totally have said multiple times I think it's right.

Oh wait, no, it turns out I accidentally repeatedly said I don't agree with children doing anything irreversible to their bodies before they're an adult.

The reason pronouns are important is that frankly you're taking an element that you can make a case on - children transitioning - and you turn it into an attack on trans people - the entire discussion drips with it.

Then people say oh I don't dislike trans people, they're lovely, while then fundamentally saying that they're perverts and misguided.

I think there are reasonable points and I frankly don't understand why anybody would want to transition, but with the level of hatred seemingly dripping why would anybody who is transexual want to comment on a thread like this?

@user1487064897

I picked one of the pieces on criticism, I haven't gone into great research about it. There are of course, other dissenting views. However they make (in this specific article) sensible points from a cursory reading, and the scientific evidence appears fairly thin. That people refer to it as "fact" and not "some research suggests" says even more.

A cursory glance I can't find the article/opinion you've mentioned, can you link please?

Wham

Good to hear from you. The therapist sounds great but the treatment you get otherwise is a scandal. Hope things improve for you and your child

Perhaps fewer girls would want to be boys if girls weren't still in many ways, second class citizens?

Or if it was accepted that many girls enjoy the sheer elation of sports and of stretching themselves to their physical limits in a way that "proper" boys are supposed to?

Or if they were allowed to test themselves, find what DID make them comfortable in their own skins, and live their lives accordingly?

And similarly, why should gentle boys, or non-sporty ones, or ones who are interested in "girls" activities, be made to feel that there is something wrong with their preferences?

Some of these may be trapped in the "wrong sex" body; I suspect that most are just being themselves and having preferences that aren't considered "appropriate" BY OTHER PEOPLE, or feeling under pressure to conform to a gender stereotype and the opportunity to "trans", if it is given, seems to them like the right way out. They haven't had the tie to find out if they ARE trans, or are gay, or are just girls/boys who prefer activities not usually associated with their sex.

Whatever the reason, early transitioning like this IS abusive.

What if it was the other way round, and a way was found to "make" (genuine) trans-sexuals into their biological sex - would that be acceptable? I'll bet the trans-activists would go bananas about it!

"Actually, this is on a par with FGM in my book."

Si.

Agreed.

The sheer force behind this movement is extremely troubling and suspicious. I very much doubt that it's driven by a few people with a fetish.

Who is behind this?

Pharma?

Research into AI and robotics?

What is the Christina connection? Though apparently Iran is big on this too?

random79

I honestly think you're coming from a decent place. You're not trotting out the usual TRA nonsense.

Just think on it for awhile.

The ideology underpins gender stereotypes. It says that a man expressing any feminity must mean that he is a woman. Because God forbid, that a man should like sparkles, or wear soft colours, or bake - or any number of typically female stereotypes that keep women in their box.

But that's not where it ends.

Because if you accept that a man can be a woman, suddenly the very differences between the sexes are erased. And when they are undeniable, they are exclusionary, wrong and and hurtful because they only serve to highlight the difference

So abortion is seen as a privilege to women because transwomen could never have one. And it's best not to mention it because it's hurtful.

Substitute any biological function for abortion, so menstuation, pregnancy, breastfeeding, all of it.

Exclusionary and hurtful. So stop talking about it.

This is transactivism.

In no universe can this be considered an acceptable extension of gender dysphoria.

Random
It's quite clear that you haven't done much research at all but you are happy to bandy accusations of 'hatred' about things you don't understand.

"Perhaps fewer girls would want to be boys if girls weren't still in many ways, second class citizens? "

Through my line of work I know women who taught themselves to be as non typically feminine as possible because they experienced childhood sex abuse. These are women who learned form a young age that being female makes them extremely vulnerable so they have modified their body langauge and thew ay they dress to appear as asexual as possible.

Society's always been unkind to feminine men and masculine women. I fear for my sensitive ds who will soon find out he isn't allowed to show all his emotions, and has to man up

This person has literally said that the raping of women and children matters less than a MTT right to piss in the female toilet. WTF?

He's only come out and said it.
It is the underlying sentiment of the whole agenda. Anyone who wants to enable males to self-identify their way into women's spaces, deep down, thinks that validation of male feelings matters more than the safety of girls and women.

He at least admits it.

Though I can understand why they don't say anything - they'd be attacked by the activists as "traitors" [sigh]

Yeah. Miranda Yardley has stopped blogging because of the hate. Transactivists aren't on the side of transwomen, they are on the side of males who want to invade women's spaces.

(I read somewhere a very true statement; that the most masculine thing one can do is to be violent against women and girls. It is so true. Transwomen who side with women and girls are treated as women; not because they identify as women but because they are not performing femininity. Males who say they identify as women, but are sufficiently violent against women and girls, may be called female pronouns, but the transactivists treat them very much as male and give them male privilege)