To think a double masectomy for a 13 yr old girl is child abuse

[AssignedMentalAtBirth]

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All the adults in this girl's life have failed her.

It's truly sickening

This is Texas, coming here soon

Random

There is no trans hatred. I and other on here are concerned about young women being butchered. How does being polite trump that concern? Honestly, I don't understand

Random
Where? Where is the disgust? Please quote it

Dear god that is sickening

Is it the individual concerned or is it everyone else around them who has to label someone deviating from "normal" behaviour?

This is getting a lot of comments. And it really is an incredibly important question.

On these threads you get dozens of women saying they would have been transed as children. Dozens that say they were tomboys, didn't like girly stuff etc.

Activists say that's not it! They say there is something more. The medical terminology includes the words 'persistent, consistent and insistent' to judge.

But I do see women say they were those three things, for years. And ended up completely happy with their natal sex. Albeit maybe with a few body issues. Or turned out to be gay.

And I have yet to see any description used other than they liked the toys of the opposite sex, the clothes, etc, when parents describe these children's behaviour.

another thread?

You again?

Female/Male are not pejorative terms, comparing the use of them, (especially when it is factually correct to do so), to the "N" word is blatant emotional manipulation and a false equivalent.

But Random, posters are not expressing trans hatred ! Nobody has said that they hate either this child, Jazz Jennings or trans people in general, and I can't see how on earth you have come to this peculiar conclusion.

We are discussing the extremely serious issue of the mutilation of innocent children's healthy bodies. Nobody is hating the victims of this abuse. Why can't you see that?

@AssignedMentalAtBirth

"There is no trans hatred. I and other on here are concerned about young women being butchered. How does being polite trump that concern? Honestly, I don't understand"

Quoting:

"Does noone care about children anymore, just this horrific ideology?"

"The late transitioning men, most of whom do not have body dysmorphia but autogynphellia, which means they get off on being a woman and enjoy the 'humiliation' of being a women. Nice"

There are others, but those are just from you.

(You might not think they're offensive, but surely you can see how trans people might well see both of those statements as deeply offensive even if THEY don't agree with transitioning as children)

Anyway, I honestly think we have probably exhausted the value of this interjection, but as you specifically asked.

Nothing against trans AT ALL, but having the boobies removed at 13 is a bit much?!

I wouldn't have thought they would even have grown then

Random

I genuinely do not have disgust or hatred for people with gender dysphoria. I engage all the time.

But you can separate them from the people who are pushing the ideology with a massive line in the sand.

Try and understand. The persecution of lesbians. The erasure of sexual orientation, both homosexual and heterosexual.

The mangling of language to obscure an agenda. The rendering of the world woman into a meaningless term. That cannot be defined, either socially or legally.

The online bullying and abuse if you so much as disagree with any part of the ideology, whatsoever.

Women and feminists did not go looking for this fight. Feminists are the most left-wing people imaginable. They support every minority going. They're overrepresented in the LGB community, for goodness sake.

They have trying to raise awareness of the transing of children for years. But it was niche, not on people's radar. Powerful transactivism has inadvertently alerted people to what is going on.

Feminists read and learn, they research, and ask questions. They reach conclusions.

Feminists are analysts, not bigots.

"Does noone care about children anymore, just this horrific ideology?"

The late transitioning men, most of whom do not have body dysmorphia but autogynphellia, which means they get off on being a woman and enjoy the 'humiliation' of being a women. Nice"

(You might not think they're offensive, but surely you can see how trans people might well see both of those statements as deeply offensive even if THEY don't agree with transitioning as children

Are you arguing that transing non-conforming children isn't horrific?^

As far as I am aware the main reason for the late transitioning of males is usually AGP?

One of the really scary things about the trans movement is the insistence that facts are offensive.

I had a mastectomy. Because i had cancer. The idea that a beautiful young girl was persuaded to go through this because of some twisted ideology is awful.

In all honesty I get why the parents consent to this.

I have a 'trans' child (keep name changing but it's not hard to find my previous posts).

Thankfuly it seems there is hope that my child wont transition but its bloody hard to watch your child suffer, have doctors waving a cure for their immediate suffering in front of you and having to refuse it knowing they won't do anything more.

My child has been through the mill and back again and i have been so close to accepting blockers because that's pretty much all that's offered in the way of help now and my instincts are to save my child pain and hurt and upset and watching them struggle through this has been so very difficult.

Thankfully we have found our own way to help and what was once a definite is now a maybe for my child, not everyone is so fortunate and sometimes it feels like a choice between transing a child or having your child commit suicide.

Urgh. The transphobia on here is disgusting.

As we all know, every single person in the trans community without any question is intelligent, wise, thoughtful and wonderful beyond belief.

No one could or would ever manipulate the trans narrative or laws for their own ends.

The leaders of this movement are particularly amazing. I mean; there are abusive people in every other group and category, and occasionally horrible figureheads and leaders for other groups. You could even argue that in most groups and industry it's often the creeps who push ahead as they have the confidence.

But no, not this one. They are exempt from all criticism and questions.

Bravo the community letting that incredibly mature 13 year old slice her tits off. More power to her, and let's start cutting off more penises too at an early age please.

I've hated my breasts for the majority of the time I've had them and would describe it as dysphoria - they have never felt like they were my breasts or the breasts I should have had. I know why this is, it's because I wanted to be a dancer and my body didn't look like any of the women I aspired to be like and I was repeatedly told I would do well as a showgirl/stripper - this wasn't ME. I was a shy teenager and the attention that a DD set of breasts was frightening and unwelcome. If, at 13/14/15/16 somebody had offered me surgery to get rid of them, I would have jumped at the chance (didn't want to be male, but would have been thrilled at being flat-chested). Wouldn't have been able to breastfeed my children if I had though and it was through using my breasts that I have come to a sort of acceptance and gratitude for them.

This wouldn't be all that relevant if there were not trans identified females who are now attempting to breastfeed post mastectomy, but there are (and having to feed supplementally because they don't have enough tissue or glands left). How can a child know how they will feel in the future about a body part that they currently have dysphoria over?

WhamBars

Random
What I wrote and you quoted, are FACTS. If you believe that facts are bigoted, you are so clearly down the rabbit hole that you cannot see the light of day

And there are plenty of transexuals who know they are male and strongly fight against this ideology. Look up Miranda Yardley or Helen Highwater. Both transexual males who know they are males and write about how dangerous this is, to women, girls, boys and is also extremely homophobic. And what do the trans activists call them? TRUSCUM.

Again, nice

For God's sake pull your head out of that hole and start reading and thinking logically

Female/Male are not pejorative terms, comparing the use of them, (especially when it is factually correct to do so), to the "N" word is blatant emotional manipulation and a false equivalent.

Even if it were, calling other girls and women female when we have reclaimed the word and call ourselves female, too, would be perfectly okay.
This sort of argument doesn't have a leg to stand on.

But Random, posters are not expressing trans hatred ! Nobody has said that they hate either this child, Jazz Jennings or trans people in general, and I can't see how on earth you have come to this peculiar conclusion.

People on here who voice the opinion that Jazz Jennings' healthy child body should not have been harmed with puberty blockers and should not be surgically altered to have an artificial wound for males to stick their penises into, are accused of hating the poor kid.

But those who lied to Jazz and told him he could change sex and lead a normal life and have a boyfriend and gave him puberty blockers ... those allegedly are his friends?

Has the world gone mad?

It is rather ironic, that while female trans spew slurs at me (actual slurs, mind) at the moment, the moment they have succeeded in making me hate them all, they'll start loving me.

Because when I am well and truly past caring about their wellbeing, I'll say to them: "Oh, sure, get a mastectomy and have your reproductive organs removed. You so deserve it! Oh, I would NEVER want you in my changing rooms!"

They'll thank me for hating them.

I HATED my breasts as a teen, they didn't seem to fit my body and I felt that they were a beacon for all kinds of unwelcome attention (not just from older men but also nasty jealousy/bullying from girls)

I like them a lot now and the rest of me grew into proportion with them eventually so they no longer walked into a room a full half minute before I did and they're no longer the first thing people notice about me! I'ld look odd without them now, plus I loved breastfeeding!

Only joined, well rejoined to post on this thread.

I won't profess to be an expert on this particularly sensitive subject at all but I found this point very important.

If a child cannot (obviously and quite rightly) consent to sexual activity, how can they possibly consent to the (damaging and invasive) alteration of their sexual parts - chemically or with surgery

It is also very interesting that the head of Mermaids thinks that transition should be considered to any child that is "mature" enough rather than by age. I find this terrifying, how can any child be mature enough or have the emotion intelligence to understand the exact implications of what they are doing?
So do they also think that the age of consent should be lowered too because the child seemed "mature" enough to understand what they are doing?

Hi WhamBarsArentAsFizzyAsTheyWere

If you're who I think you are, I'm glad that you might be making progress.

And I know it's been an incredibly difficult journey.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe one of the problems you had was that it was the medical route or nothing. That resources for therapy are being diverted elsewhere.

Do you know if that is still the case?

This is partly why I get so infuriated about celebrating kids like Jazz.

I predict that jazz is going to have a very difficult life. They won't be interested in making a programme about a 30-year-old transwoman.

A bloody TV programme for heavens sake. Like it's entertainment.

I actually feel a little shame for the human race that we can even do it.

I can jump up and down all day yelling this at the top of my lungs, gender dysphoria is real. Cutting off your genitals doesn't cure it. It treats the symptoms.

But stupid, stupid transactivists have turned this all into an argument about bathrooms, how to get lesbians to have sex with them, and the colonisation of womanhood.

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

I'm not a scholar in this area, but from a cursory read around the Internet the view that "most" older MtF transitionees transition due to autogynphellia seems to be a disputed one. (For example this view that wikipedia suggested)

"Horrific ideology" I read as being transitioning in general. It's certainly not clear that it is limited solely to transitioning children.

imjustanerd I agree.

Consent is the biggest issue here.
The child cannot consent to this life changing cosmetic surgery because they are too young and the parents shouldn't be able to because they don't have that right either.

A bit like the law and tattoos.

Except the tattoo law seems a bit more sensible.