To think a double masectomy for a 13 yr old girl is child abuse

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All the adults in this girl's life have failed her.

It's truly sickening

This is Texas, coming here soon

SantaHelena - Who is behind this? Pharma? Research into AI and robotics?

You know, a few years ago I was listening to a talk on Youtube it was mostly batshit conspiracy/woo woo nonsense ( I had asked a friend about something she had mentioned in a convo, not to do with anything trans, and she sent me the link to the talk), anyway, one of the questions from the audience was about the Transgender agenda, the speaker said that there are factions of the elite who wish to enslave the human race by essentially making us into cyborgs and fracturing us from reality. At the time of listening I was firmly in the "live and let live, where's the harm in this" camp regarding transgenderism, having not read or critically engaged with any of it so dismissed it (along with the rest of the stupid talk) as paranoid, loonytoon garbage.

I'm not now saying that I believe what the speaker said, but when I'm having a "WTF - are they actually serious about this shit?!" moment and when I contemplate just how quickly this incoherent ideology has gained traction with governments, that talk springs into my mind and I think "Could she have been right? Were the tin foil hatters right all along?".

"will they get bored when it isn't so shocking? Because it's been normalised?"
How does paedophilia tie in with any of this if at all?

It's being normalised as well. So many paedophilia apologists out there on any given social media.

Mainly men.

elevenclips

I don't disagree with your categories. Apart from the fact that the second category is now included as transgender according to Stonewall.

But I'd be very interested to know how you can tell the difference?

I came on the thread thinking it was going to be a girl with many family members with the breast cancer gene having her breasts cut off. I'd still think it was too young to make that decision.
What the thread was actually about has shocked and horrified me. I have no problem with someone identifying as a boy at 13 but all surgery or hormone therapy until 18 at the earliest. The teen years are fraught with anxiety if you identify as a boy at 13 but no surgery you could identify as a girl again if you choose at 18 but if you've had your breasts surgically removed and taken hormones to stop puberty you're stuck.
Imo this is child abuse as much as FGM.
Random a child has been mutilated and you're worried about he and she ffs get a grip.

What are those of you who are against TA teaching your dc, how do you approach this topic seeing they ill be exposed to this sort of hallucinative think in cyberspace as well as told by their school, sports club etc. that biological females are no longer and that it is all about gender stereotypes and self identification.

I had a chat with dc1 who is of primary age about the fact that girls can do anything boys can do and boys can or should be allowed what girls can do in terms of how they dress, professions, hobbies and so on. But that if you have a vagina you are female and if you have a willy you are male. I said that some boys might like to wear skirts and nail varnish and that even though that is not to my taste who am i to tell these people what to dress in.

I'd like to counteract this crazy gender fascism because that is what I believe this is it's a fascist ideology where people are supposed to comply with a narrow set of social expectations. I am outraged at the trend of silencing lesbian girls and women and forcing them to have sex with males who like to be girls. It's truly a dystopian nightmare.

I find it interesting that this trend comes right after a couple of decades where girl power was all on trend. Very strange and deeply troubling.

The transmen seemed to be finding their allys with gay and lesbian sections

I've never commented on a trans thread before, because I've never felt qualified to, and I still don't, but fuck it, I'm going to.

I'm LGBT (G, to be precise) and Trans being included has always felt out of place to me. And the more I see of trans- issues, the more I think that LGB should be separate from T. Call me a bigot, whatever. Gay rights aren't Trans rights and vice versa. The issues have always been fundamentally different, and are getting more and more so. It embarrasses and repulses me that child abuse and mutilation is being justified as part of an agenda under the LGBT umbrella. If that makes me a bigot in some people's eyes, I can live with that.

As someone has already said, if a child under the age of 16 cannot legally consent to having sex, how the fuck can they consent this mutilation? As far as I'm concerned, what Jazz has gone through is mutilation, abuse and wilful neglect.

And for what it's worth, I believe that women-only spaces should never, ever be forced include a person with penis.

No fetishistic males like to dress up as women. Nope, none, never happened, just a feeling, nowt kinky about it...

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Santana

I have a, to use the parlance of our times, a GNC DD.

I can't help but see the 'tomboy' that I was in her. She is the only girl in her year with a very short haircut, she wants to wear a suit for her graduation...

The trans topic has come up. I just said (appealing to her love of science) that MtT are men and FtT are women. And that clothes, hobbies, interests are not sex specific.

I reiterated that I have always preferred more 'stereotypical male' pursuits but that doesn't mean I can change my biological sex.

Well I'm glad you said that PavlovianLunge. Because although I hate to say it, getting men on board with this is going to help. (I assume you're a man because you said G not L).

I've seen a lot of Drop the T campaigns from the LGB community. I personally feel as though they are riding on your coat tails and groundswell of support good opinion engendered by your own campaigning.

I'm sure it's incredibly irritating for you that you should now consider a transman with a vagina as a sexual partner. Although I'm never sure if transmen actually say this. It's a natural extension of 'male lesbian'.

Pavlov

Please keep posting. The silence is being taken as complicity in this madness. Please don't be complicit in the butchery of children.

And to anyone lurking who is concerned about this, please speak up about it, to your friends and family. If we don't speak about it, there will be a generation of children who will have life damaging consequences

Drop the T

Thanks, Datun, (assumption correct), I feel that T got lumped in with LGB for two reasons; that there were very few (openly) trans people, and the LGB was somewhere that anyone 'other' was accepted.

But the trans agenda has changed, I really think that in some way, a monster has been created. How else to explain why 13 year-old girls are being mutilated in a supposedly civilised society?

I'll be offline for a while, but I'll catch up later.

the speaker said that there are factions of the elite who wish to enslave the human race by essentially making us into cyborgs and fracturing us from reality.

Typical for conspiracy theorists, finding complicated theories for very simple things.
A much more straightforward explanation would be that the elite wish to enslave women by making gender non conforming women dependant on artificial testosterone for life, and holding the threat of unwanted pregnancy over the heads of all those women who do not surgically alter their bodies.

Let's face it, women who had their ovaries removed are stuck within the system. They cannot live without artificial hormones. Not well, anyway, but I am not sure it is at all possible. (Does someone know?)

They will not be able to walk away and found women-only communities. They have to jump through all the hoops that the medical establishment decides they should have to jump through.

And lesbians who do not get sterilized and hormone-dependant are not allowed to reduce the danger of being raped to zero by excluding males from their spaces, and thus have to jump through all the hoops women have to jump through to obtain contraception and abortions.

And men who show signs of not agreeing with the patriarchal oppression of women by way of not being sufficiently masculine are transed as children if they get caught, and thus rendered somewhat dependent on the medical system, too. (Men can live without hormone replacement OR testicles, but I would assume once you have a "neovag", you will always need surgical interventions.)

Lesbians and radfems are actually pretty noisy but we get dismissed and shutdown and silenced.

I can't wait for more gays to speak up against the homophobia in the transideology. Maybe us lowly females might get heard.

I feel like living in the world of Harry Potter, at the point where the crazy esoteric magazine was the only one willing to print a truthful interview with Harry.

That's what it feels like. Conspiracy theorists are closer to truth than the mainstream.

PavlovianLunge

Yes, I've seen that complaint before. I'm not a theorist, so I'm operating a little in the dark. But from what I understand, LGB seemed to be a dumping ground for anyone with a slight variation in sexuality like kinks, etc. And not really to do with sexual orientation at all.

But from what I understand, LGB seemed to be a dumping ground for anyone with a slight variation in sexuality like kinks, etc. And not really to do with sexual orientation at all.

It certainly is now, that it has become the alphabet soup. Not only has T been added, there is also a Q and an A, and so on.

The T should never have been added.

Transactivism is so homophobic, it is really a cuckoo's egg in the LGB nest.

Jazz could be a gay boy in a happy relationship with a healthy sex life. But thanks to transactivism is now worried about a future boyfriend paying too much attention to his genitals.
I'd say TRAs have had more success in preventing gay sex from taking place than the conservatives could ever have dreamt of!

Jazz could be a gay boy in a happy relationship with a healthy sex life. But thanks to transactivism is now worried about a future boyfriend paying too much attention to his genitals.
I'd say TRAs have had more success in preventing gay sex from taking place than the conservatives could ever have dreamt of!

I dread to think how many children will not get the opportunity to discover what their true sexual orientation is, or the chance to enjoy an equal, loving relationship with the partner of their choice (or, for that matter, a good, lustfull shag with a casual partner they fancy the socks off!).

How many of them, while they are still discovering themselves, and while their turbulent hormones are still surging and and ebbing before settling down, and before they get a chance to find out whether that same-sex crush is because they are gay/lesbian, or the result of admiration of role model?

How many of them will go through life physically, mentally and emotionally tortured because of this early intervention? They will be unable even to experience sexual fulfilment, unable to achieve orgasm, and will serve, in many cases, only a a "tool" to give pleasure to others (who have NOT) had hormonal and surgical intervention.

This is beyond cruel.

Sorry - meant to say I agreed with Vestal, but got caught up in a tirade!

And thank you for your very important contribution, too, Pavlovian.

I don't necessarily see LGB as having become a dumping ground, but there's definitely been a 'lumping together' of anything not straight. I've actually seen LGBTQQAAI used, would you believe?

Lesbian
Gay
Bisexual
Transsexual (I know)
Queer
Questioning
Asexual
Allies
Intersex

I imagine that the gay rights powers-that-be accepted any group that wanted to be included, for fear of being seen as non-inclusive. But it's too much. Have asexual people, or gay-friendly people had to fight for equality? No, not really (setting aside feminist and race issues in this context), so it's become this unwieldy thing, when really, the heart of the matter is a simple one.

Yeas ago, trans people were mostly invisible and suffering in silence, so I understand the linking with LGB. Strength in numbers, I get it, and the prejudice in the 60s and 70s was ingrained. But the world is a different place now, I think there are enough trans activists and trans awareness for there to be stand-alone trans rights groups, with one agenda. I don't see why LGB and T can't have an agreed detachment, but with ongoing, mutual support - not unquestioning support, but rather support that is fundamental, yet also able to ask difficult questions when the wishes of one group are detrimental to all or part of the other.

I suspect this lays me open to accusations of being a TERG. I'm not. I'm just a gay man who thinks that trans campaigners are at a point when they can own their fight, without hitching their cause to a vaguely-related one.

You missed out the P on the end for pansexual and the + that I have no-idea about...

Oops, yes, P for pansexual. I can only guess that + was added when somebody pointed out that it was getting ridiculous unwieldy.

PavlovianLunge

What does the A for allies represent? And does it mean if you don't identify as A you're not considered an ally?

allies: a person who identifies as straight but supports people in the LGBTQQIAAP community

www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/33278165/we-know-what-lgbt-means-but-heres-what-lgbtqqiaap-stands-for

So essentially everybody in the world is now a special snowflake included in this category.