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New neighbour using my private garden...

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Wattyyyy · 27/07/2017 12:47

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starzig · 27/07/2017 20:01

Put a flower border in or something to make it obvious it's your garden. Fence might be too much and cause neighbour war

newdaddie · 27/07/2017 20:01

@Anecdoche I think 'expropriate' is the correct term if the authority comes from the state I.e. a judge in a civil court ruling. But it could be that expropriation was the correct term as my situation was different to OP as it the local council who claimed the land on my behalf.

It was a top floor flat in a 3 flat Georgian semi detached conversion (weirdly not listed but the whole street was a bit of a mishmash). I had a leasehold with exclusive right to my flat and enjoyment of the communal parts of the property as long as they were 'accessible'. Basically as long as I don't need to trespass on someone's land to get to the communal part than it's shared access. The communal parts were front garden, rear garden and loft/roof. I bought it off a lady who was essentially bullied out of her home by the two neighbours below her.

The land in dispute was the rear garden which should have been accessible for my top floor flat by the side access gate. But the two flats below boarded it up 10 years or so before I bought it. The freeholder was the council and the middle flat was a council tenant. The couple in the basement were even bigger arseholes than me and boarded up the side access gate and put up a fence 'giving' the middle flat a quarter of the garden land... somehow they convinced the lady in the middle they owned the garden when they bought the basement flat.

I ripped down the boarding and fitted a gate to the side access and dismantled the wooden fences partitioning the rear garden and stuck a shed slap bang in the middle of the garden with a camera, an alarm and a sign warning against criminal damage.

Originally the council took my neighbours side but the court took my side and made the council 'expropriate' their own communal garden land back from the tenant in the middle flat and the leaseholder in the basement so that I could continue my very legal enjoyment of that space.

shineybut · 27/07/2017 20:02

I can't believe it's a mistake. When you buy a listed property there are are so many hoops to jump through and it's written everywhere. Mortgage lenders and insurance firms rub their hands with glee.
Heritage will have a field day.

EvelynWardrobe · 27/07/2017 20:02

OP, when they next go out engage some builders to knock through the adjoining wall and claim their flat.

iismum · 27/07/2017 20:02

OMG I can't believe they've just knocked down part of a listed building. That's awful! If they are just terminally stupid then I feel a bit sorry for them - imagine getting home and realising you'd screwed up that badly. But fucking hell, what idiots.

OneInAMillionYou · 27/07/2017 20:02

OP I do hope you can access some RL support as this must be very distressing for you, to suddenly find yourself having to deal with this level of fuckwittery.
Do you know if the CFN is a sole person, a couple or a family? Just don't want you to be ganged up on if they do decide to confront you about it.
Am full of admiration that you had the wits about you to make a steak pie! (And clearly want a piece!)
My hands are shaking for you here and I am just reading this online whilst checking my boundaries 😀

FabulouslyGlamorousFerret · 27/07/2017 20:02

Imagine if it was the wrong flat! Maybe one of the garden owning neighbours didn't have doors going into their garden and arranged to have doors fitted .. and they got it wrong!!!

SnickersWasAHorse · 27/07/2017 20:03

Rosie the work was done before she had a chance to talk to them.

FUNM · 27/07/2017 20:03

So 3 other flats have the same problem - being overlooked when in the garden. |Great design lol
What are the arrows?

AhhhhThatsBass · 27/07/2017 20:04

OP what do the arrows represent in the (otherwise excellent) diagram?

KickAssAngel · 27/07/2017 20:05

The builders must have had a key to get there. This wasn't a mistake.

And they would NEVER have got the permission to destroy part of a listed building either.

newdaddie · 27/07/2017 20:05

this is the first CF thread I've been on which has its own CF. That's you, if you are in any doubt.

Tips hat @cardibach

MyLittlePickleBoo · 27/07/2017 20:06

Are they normally home late?

If it were me and I'd had some building work done and access to a garden for the first time I'd sure as heck be excited/anxious to get home as soon as I could to check it out and I definitely would want to see it before it gets dark!

If they're not in a rush to get home it does make me suspicious that they know they've done something wrong.

Good luck for tomorrow. Hope the meeting goes well.

Motoko · 27/07/2017 20:07

OP, you should start a new thread as this one is nearly full. Post a link on this one to the new one.

I wonder if they've sneaked in and are being really quiet. You could always go out in your garden to look at the flowers, and sneak a look through their new door!

bellabasset · 27/07/2017 20:07

Why would you buy a flat in a beautiful style classic building and then vandalise it?

Be interesting to see what it will cost to restore, as the freeholder might have the right to instruct craftsmen to make the window, source the bricks, reinstate the arched brickwork for the window to the satisfaction of the conservation officer, and of course fees if there is an architect involved, not forgetting the shutters. My guess would be nearer £5,000 than £3,000. If a simple sash window cost £900 25 years ago then £5,000: doesn't seem a lot today. I paid £7,000: for 7 large hardwood double glazed traditional wooden sash windows in 1989.

ArcheryAnnie · 27/07/2017 20:08

rosietosey the cheeky neighbours did indeed not talk to the OP. The OP is the one initiating communication here, quite rightly. It's just that the nature of the communication has to be "stop wrecking the house and trying to steal my garden, you cheeky fuckers".

What would you have done differently, pray?

Yummymummy159 · 27/07/2017 20:09

Put a lovely 6ft wooden fence up in front of it haha

Anecdoche · 27/07/2017 20:09

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EverythingEverywhere1234 · 27/07/2017 20:09

This has been the most infuriating read, who is that... dense?!?!

iismum · 27/07/2017 20:09

I reckon if they intentionally did this knowing it was listed and it wasn't their garden then they are almost as stupid as if they just didn't realise, as how could they possibly think they could get away with it?! If they are not idiots then it would have been perfectly obvious that there would be serious and expensive repercussions.

NoMoreDecorating · 27/07/2017 20:10

What's CF?

Caken · 27/07/2017 20:10

Make a new thread, I can't go on if I miss the ending to this! (Goes back into hiding Smile )

ShakingAndShocked · 27/07/2017 20:11

RTFT and a few things spring to mind:

1) For the love of all that is good, you MUST start new thread and link to her ASAP as this is flying!

  1. What's the value increment between value of flats with gardens vs. those without gardens?

  2. I hear you. You have a beautiful walled garden, I promise you haven't made it sound rubbish; it sounds beautiful - I

SingaporeSlander · 27/07/2017 20:12

Link to new thread pls! And Brew and Wine for you!

diddl · 27/07/2017 20:14

You'd think that they'd realise that no access to the garden wasn't because previous occupants had replaced doors with a window!Grin