To ask what policy your Uni has on women's spaces?

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Those of you who have recent work or study experience.

Would you mind listing institution names and their policies?

NC if you need to of course.

And having been raped doesn't give you the right to walk all over other survivors.
Just like being female doesn't excuse misogyny.

If you think you can tell all women that we aren't allowed boundaries just because you are sacrificing your own boundaries, too, you are wrong.

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Like she didn't meant to call me male when I just recently stated I'd accessed service for people who'd be raped?

Bollocks. She's holding my viewpoint accountable for people (including myself getting raped), and it's pretty obvious that's how she meant it to come across.

Sorry to all of you who have also experienced rape.

"doesn't give you the right to walk all over other survivors. "

I HAVEN'T.

I have never once said that women aren't allowed boundaries; I've actually clarified this several times and stated they were. Stop saying I've said things I haven't. Although you can't make yourself look any worse after that post.

I really doubt that's what she meant.

No, that's really tenuous. I'm sorry you've been raped and I sympathise as a fellow survivor but I think you should have some empathy for women who have suffered similarly and don't want males in their spaces, if no one else.

Interesting you are getting so worked up at accessing services for women being a marker for you being a woman. I'm really sorry you've been raped, but ant you therefore see the issues with predatory men 'identifying' as female and using/providing those services?

I still don't understand how women can express their boundaries without being accused of transphobia. I still don't understand how expecting women to share spaces where they feel vulnerable with male bodied people is respecting their boundaries. Their only option is to exclude themselves from that space, as otherwise how can their boundaries be respected? So women would be excluded in order to validate a male bodied person's identity.

Like she didn't meant to call me male when I just recently stated I'd accessed service for people who'd be raped?

Sorry but are you referring to when you mentioned the my body back clinic? I personlly didn't know that this was a rape service and that your accessing that service meant you had been recently raoed until you explicitly said this . So perhaps pp didn't either.
Just playing devils advocate

I really doubt that's what she meant.

Thank you.

I was not assuming this person was raped in a facility that should have been women-only because she voted that males should be allowed in there.

Indeed, I had not assumed that a person who had been raped by a male would ever try and force women in general to allow men into our spaces.

A couple of people on here have reported that they were molested by males in spaces that should have been women-only.

This is what is going to happen a lot more with self-identification. I was merely asking how often it has to happen for the transactivists to finally admit that it does happen and allowing males in female spaces is a very bad idea.

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I actually raised what your opinions were on that when I mentioned it - none of you commented on it.

I'm leaving this thread now.

I actually said accessing services for women who had been raped (that includes transwomen), I don't view that as a marker of me being a woman.

But the point is your viewpoint may lead to women getting raped as a result either by trans identified males or other males abusing the system. Obviously you find that uncomfortable, I understand that, but it doesn't make it untrue and it is part of the problem that we can't say it.

My viewpoint is not responsible for anyone's rape.

Rapists are responsible for rape.

No I didn't! I thought it was a chiropractor or something!

And yet you were upset when another poster didn't know you were a woman because you'd been there. You make no sense.

Nobody is suggesting your viewpoint is responsible for anyone's rape! Why do you keep saying that?
People are saying that the way you insist on your viewpoint being interpreted and carried out in policy would provide opportunities for rapists to rape.

Yes of course rapists are responsible for rape. But we currently sex segregate certain spaces for reasons of safety, privacy and dignity. Opening up these spaces to all men in theory makes them statistically more dangerous to women and girls.

Seems weird that you are all so up on gender based violence and feminism and yet totally unaware of the only maternity clinic in the United Kingdom for women who've experienced sexual violence and assault, particularly as it was so well publicised.

Very weird in fact.

I still don't understand how women can express their boundaries without being accused of transphobia. I still don't understand how expecting women to share spaces where they feel vulnerable with male bodied people is respecting their boundaries. Their only option is to exclude themselves from that space, as otherwise how can their boundaries be respected? So women would be excluded in order to validate a male bodied person's identity.

This.

The claims of transactivists that women will not be forced to be re-traumatized by having to be naked in the presence of males are very nebulous and esoteric.

What will happen if a woman who was raped by a man and therefore does not want to be anywhere near a male body goes into a women's changing room that, as per transactivist agenda, contains several bepenised people who identify as women?

Will angels descend from heaven and hold a blanket in front of the survivor to spare her the sight?

Or will she just have to turn and walk away?

What is more likely here?

Or do transactivists suggest that this woman trot out a story she probably wants to forget in front of everyone present, in the hopes that the male-bodied "women" will have some compassion and leave while she changes her clothes?
Well, that sounds sooo very kind and considerate, for sure.

I'm clearly too distracted by the wholesale destruction of women's rights and erasure of women as a biological sex class to appease trans identified males.

" your viewpoint may lead to women getting raped"

No. My viewpoint won't. I am not responsible for rapists behaviour.

Whale, what about the clothes optional female spa in Canada? They allow post op (I wouldn't) but not pre op. Is that wrong?

You aren't but the policy you are supporting may make women less safe. Stop twisting it.

Maybe it's well publicised in the south east since that's where it's based.

Lots of very well regarded women's violence services in my area, particularly around forced marriage and honour killings, I bet the majority of people have never heard of them. Doesn't really say anything about the person except perhaps they haven't had need to access those services.

I googled my body back clinic because I'd never heard of it. It's in London, it seems. Do you think that it might have o lay been 'well publicised' in the capital? Why would it be publicised elsewhere? As nobody else can access it. I fear you may be a bit London centric, Wilderness. Not everyone thinks like you, shares the same concerns as you or gives two hoots what happens in London.

We haven't heard of many NHS services available in England, up here in Scotland because health is a devolved issue. I am guessing the Welsh and N Irish might struggle too.

Have you heard of the Belford? Thought not. Big news in my area.

Maybe it's well publicised

it was all over national news and papers when it started, and it accepts all UK citizens.

So your London centric assumption is incorrect - Im not in London.