To ask what policy your Uni has on women's spaces?

[SerfTerf]

Those of you who have recent work or study experience.

Would you mind listing institution names and their policies?

NC if you need to of course.

" I think you need a grasp of science and psychology/sociology to understand this debate."

Trust me, I have a grasp of science, more than most people have :-)

Hope you get some rest wildnerness, thanks for trying to explain your POV (even though I honestly don't "get it")

I get that she has it. I just strongly disagree with it.

And yet you say people are assigned a gender at birth. The science isn't biology, is it?

Constantly kicking people down by referring to them as a gender they don't identify (which is what happened on this thread) is actually transphobic in my mind

I'd say it's more transphobic to constantly insist that trsnswomen are women and that there's no difference between us.

they don't feel safe expressing themselves because you are constantly telling them they are not who they are.

I'll be honest here and say that I've never felt unsafe or felt unable to be myself on here or around women at all for that matter, regardless of whether they are feminists or not. Not once.

Whenever I have felt unsafe and felt unable to be myself, it has always without fail being when I'm around men.

WTAF is being taught in schools these days??? Many thanks to all the posters who are arguing the points far better than I ever could you are restoring my faith in humanity and the sisterhood

I have a grasp of science, more than most people have :-)

Yet you think people are assigned a gender at birth. Interesting.

for curry for putting things so succinctly and for her bravery at putting another trans point of view, one that is all too often drowned out.

"A transwoman is a woman who was assigned male at birth"

Male is sex, not gender ...

But regardless, they've been reported as something they don't feel they are, they don't identify with, and they don't feel comfortable with.

And, science evolves. We are constantly learning new things about gender identity, gender expression, sex and sexuality, and with that published sciences changes.

"I'd say it's more transphobic to constantly insist that trsnswomen are women and that there's no difference between us"

Curry - I do think it's important all views within the trans community are put across, I'm sorry if it felt like i was saying there was no difference between you, I was talking from an opinion which i've gained from those close to me. I'll remember your points in future and ensure I convey them in any discussion I have relating to transpeople.

And, science evolves. We are constantly learning new things about gender identity, gender expression

Do you even know what gender is?

Ferrets

Yes, I do.

Fantastic. Then you'll know that the words "science" and "gender" don't belong together.

I soooo wish you could 'like' posts

Ferrets I really like you.
Gender is a social construct. Sex is science based. Science could potentially find stuff out about sex (although I'm not sure what. XX/XY just about covers it). It can't find out anything about gender.

It can't find out anything about gender.

I respectfully disagree. I count all fields of research that study human behaviour as science, too, and those fields of science can find out quite a lot about the many interesting, yet ultimately harmful gender roles human societies constructed over the ages.

Biology cannot find out anything about gender, though, I quite agree with that.

WildernessWhale is talking himself into a corner, pretending that forcing women to share intimate spaces with males isn't putting women's safety second to male feelings. (It totally is. Wanting to force women, by default, to undress in the presence of males, is sexual violence, and nothing less.)

And to top it all of, trying to accuse feminists of transphobia when a transwoman on the thread asserts that there's no transphobia here ... it would be funny, if this sort of attitude wasn't so common, and if it did not actually harm girls and women. Severely.

WildernessWhale, how many girls and women have to be raped until you admit that you are wrong? Is one enough? Two? Three? Say, how many have to be harmed, until you admit that males WILL identify their way into women's facilities to rape girls and women?

Or will you try to force them to say they were raped by women, even then?

I'm female.

And I've been raped, and I find your post disgusting, offensive and it's being reported.

I'm female

How do you know?

1. I am female. 2. I've been raped. 3, I've said very recently in this thread I have recently accessed services for females who have been raped.

You are really vile.

I've been raped too Wilderness and that's exactly why I don't want men in my spaces, regardless of how they identify.

WildernessWhale, you present very masculine with all the misogyny and disregard of women's boundaries, how am I to know you identify as female? You haven't even something feminine about your username.

IAmEatingACurry shows how one presents as female on the internet. Show empathy for women. Listen to women's concerns, don't prioritize male feelings over women's safety.

If she hadn't stated she's trans, I'd have assumed she's female.

I suggest you take some inspiration from her.

Equality for transpeople does not equate to misogyny. And I've never said women's boundaries should be ignored (Ive said the opposite).

I say that I've accessed services for women who've been raped - and you then accuse me of being male, and then ask me how many women have to be raped until I "admit" I am wrong?

As if my viewpoint is the reason I got raped?

Thank you very fucking much. I seriously hope there's a MNHQ ban for you for that post.

I've been raped too Wilderness and that's exactly why I don't want men in my spaces, regardless of how they identify.

Me too.

As if my viewpoint is the reason I got raped?

I really doubt that's what she meant.