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To think my brother is being really unreasonable

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user1478433729 · 26/07/2017 08:17

Please help me to diffuse a difficult family situation.

My brother, SIL and 3 wk newborn baby live in the flat I own. To give some context; it's in central London, with a private garden, and was bought at a time (2000) when it was just barely affordable.
I've rented it to them since the end of last year when I moved out to get married.
The rent we agreed is what they were paying previously in their old flat, outside London. I proposed and agreed this as the amount covers both the mortgage and service charge - though it leaves no room for contingencies. It was my decision to rent at this level, and so far I've had no reason to regret my decision.
I'm not looking to make money from it, and my feeling has always been, as elder sister, to share my good luck with family in having a nice home in central London.
It's worth pointing out that the agreed rent is half the market value of other flats in the area - i.e., it's a good deal.

At the time they moved into my flat, their previous tenancy was coming to an end and they were struggling to find somewhere that was in their financial reach. Moving into my flat seemed like a reasonable solution all round.
When we agreed the rent, we set up a formal agreement so that everything was in black and white. I had the boiler serviced and made sure that all fire precautions in place. I also left the flat partially furnished (bed, sofa, interior furnishings, dining table) as they had none. I also bought a new sofa and also paid for contents insurance too.

Fast forward to last weekend. I'm currently out of the country and am also 8 months preg. I recd a no of texts from my bro to say that the boiler was not working and that there was no hot water.
I called out an emergency plumber that night (Sunday) to diagnose and his view was that a new boiler is needed. Mindful that this is going to be an expensive job of just under 3k (one that as landlord I fully realise I am responsible for and need to address, but equally an issue that needs to be addressed quickly, esp as newborn in house), I emailed 5 different plumbing co's on Sunday evening to ask them to quote on new installation and advise on speed of availability of 1/quote and 2/installation.
I cc'd my brother into these emails, mainly to reassure him that I was addressing the situation asap, and to keep him in the loop as to whom I had contacted.
On Monday am, at 7:30am uk time I recd the first reply to say they could have a plumber over to quote at 10am.
I forwarded the email on to my brother (assuming he would be ok with this) but chose not to call him as it was early and I didn't want to wake him up. He is currently on paternity leave with their 3 wk old.

Unfortunately, he did not read the email and was woken by the plumber knocking on the door at 10am.
He let the plumber in to quote, but afterwards sent a really rude and unpleasant email. I was taken aback by the viciousness....that I'm inconsiderate etc etc.
On reflection, I should have waited to ask if that time was ok, but I thought I was doing the right thing in terms of sorting out the problem asap.
I'm not back in the UK until the end of next week and don't want to just leave it until I get back.

If I was back in the UK, I would be on hand to liaise re timings but the fact is I'm not in the UK. I said that I needed his 'help' to liaise and coordinate timings for plumber inspection quotes.

I explained that it was really hard for me to do this and that I needed his 'help' to coordinate as I'm not in the UK, can barely get wifi/dial tone.

In short, he told me he wasn't prepared to help sort out the boiler issue as it is 'my flat/my boiler/my responsibility.'..,that they've lived in rental property enough to know that they shouldn't have to be responsible for helping with this.
I'm afraid I blew my top:
I said I wanted to address the elephant in the room which is that surely there is room for a bit of give and take here on the 'help' front.....,especially as I'm out of UK ....but also that I've tried to help them out with a flat where they are paying a subsidised rate at half market value.
This then escalated the situation: he's now saying they are really insulted, that they are not charity cases and that it's not like I need the money....and that I'm not working at present.....that I'm 'money grabbing' for even mentioning this subsidised issue.

I'm not working right now, have no income (am being supported financially by husband, which I don't like) and am not eligible for maternity benefits. I'm currently 8 months in to a problematic pregnancy.

Im not regretting my decision to rent at this subsidised rate, but I now feel deeply resentful. The 'help' I am asking them for is to ideally verbally agree a time with the plumber that works for them and to open the door so the plumber can inspect the boiler.
I need to get a range of quotes as it is going to be an expensive job (prob about 2.5-3k and I just can't afford to pay top whack).

I've never said or implied that they are charity cases but the fact is they are living in a very nice part of town in a flat that they would never be able to afford otherwise. It is a vastly subsidised rent.
I'm not expecting constant gratitude, but a thank you and a bit of give and take on the help front when I'm physically unable to resolve the situation, would have gone a long way.

In this one instance, where I'm physically unable to coordinate, I would have hoped that they could see I wanted to do a decent thing, both as landlord and sister, and just be on hand to open the door.
I'm just shocked and hurt at the amount of abuse that has come my way. I feel such a fool. Since the baby has been born, I've brought clothes, made lasagne....I feel such a fool.

He is now threatening to leave the flat and the situation is escalating.
I have not said a thing about them leaving the flat....but quite frankly, I'm feeling resentful of the attitude and the assumption that as I've a husband who can financially support me, that I'm money grabbing for pointing out that I've helped them financially and that I would really appreciate a bit of help in return in resolving the issue.

What to do?

OP posts:
BigRedMama · 27/07/2017 18:10

YANBU, your brother is being an ungrateful bellend. Let him leave and see how they get on in the real rental world..expect your apology shortly after. Flowers

AcrossthePond55 · 27/07/2017 18:11

I'd send:

"Dear Bro, I'm so sorry that you feel the below market rent I charge you is because I feel you are a charity case. Let me assure you that I have no such feelings. But if it would help you to feel that I don't regard you as such, I will raise your rent on to . This will help you feel better and will provide me with a pot from which to finance repairs that may be needed on the flat in the future. Regards, Sis"

RevEm · 27/07/2017 18:15

I should think this is a case of brother and partner being sleep deprived as they have new baby...but that aside, I know what you're saying and I agree. They are living subsidised...an act of kindness, not charity...they should be willing to help with that.

DailyMailReadersAreThick · 27/07/2017 18:24

You're being an absolute mug. I'd give them notice.

thethoughtfox · 27/07/2017 18:29

I like AcrossthePond's suggestion.

Trustmeimadoggroomer17 · 27/07/2017 18:33

Let him leave, sell it, live off It and smile.

pollymere · 27/07/2017 18:38

Suggest he leave as he's clearly not happy. Explain that you can't afford to put in new boiler so it might take a while to fix. Privately rent out at market value once boiler is sorted...you could probably find a tenant whilst it's being done. This will make money tight for a bit but long term, it's probably for the best.

Angelreid14 · 27/07/2017 18:45

Never mix money and family. Even closest family will fight at a will reading....feel bad for you OP but I would just tell him that you clearly don't agree on the situation and you wouldn't want him to leave based on a silly argument as his got his gf and your niece/nephew to consider. It sounds like a situation that hit wtf before you knew it. It's time for every one to calm down and not let pride ruin the relationship.

Mrsmartell08 · 27/07/2017 18:46

Call his bluff

Dear bro,
Obv we do not agree on expectations of tenant/landlord behaviour.
Therefore, please take today's date as your notice as I am putting the flat on the market.
Kind regards,

Craigie · 27/07/2017 18:52

Let them leave. He's being a dick.

1969angep · 27/07/2017 18:54

Yep, let him leave. He's being an idiot and I daresay he knows it. With a newborn its in his interest to get the boiler fixed asap surely? Can't see why he's making such a fuss, you've done nothing wrong and have nothing to feel guilty about. Let him realise what a dump he could be living in based on the rent he's paying.

Maireadplastic · 27/07/2017 18:54

wheresmyphone, it looks like it's just you, me and OP. The rest want to evict a man, woman and newborn who are family.

Jessikita · 27/07/2017 18:55

Evict them then rent it for full market rent.

They want the best of both worlds. Cheap rent from their sister but then want you to act completely as a landlord.

Can't have it both ways in my view.

Frazzled50yrold · 27/07/2017 19:08

You sound so pleasant and tolerant but you really can't allow yourself to be used like this. It feels like he slightly resents you having more money than him so it's a difficult relationship. You don't need this stress at present and you need to point that out to him.

Writermom22 · 27/07/2017 19:10

Let them leave. Then rent the property out through an agency who will get you the proper rates which will give you a proper income while you are out of work.

If he thinks he knows so much about renting and living in the real world, then let the twat go back to the real world.

What the hell is he doing in bed at 10am with a three week old baby at home?

Alleycat1 · 27/07/2017 19:10

I haven't read the full thread OP but am reminded of the old adage: "No good deed goes unpunished."

LilaoftheGreenwood · 27/07/2017 19:11

I agree with Balloonslayer, I don't see where the rent comes into it, these are two separate issues. Your brother sent you a bonkersly unreasonable (probably sleep-deprived) email - what has he done in previous places, vacated the premises and refused to take on personally opening the front door until a problem is fixed? A professional landlord would have done the same things as you, this is just how stuff gets fixed, it's got nothing to do with special "give and take".

However, in response you've now introduced the issue of the rent and even called it the "elephant in the room", which suggests you actually are bothered about how low it is. Fine, so make your future decisions on that basis, it's not part of this.

jessebuni · 27/07/2017 19:11

Firstly it is not unreasonable to expect him to have some input with the repairman about timings. I live in a rented flat and the gas service company contacts me every year with an appointment via letter with a number to call to rearrange if it isn't convenient. Also for emergency times such as no boiler I've always basically been told someone will be out within 24 hours and that's it I have to deal with it. It's just one of those things that isn't really anybody's fault. So by implying it's all your fault he is being unreasonable especially since even with a newborn 10am is not early. What happens if they have a second child? Believe me the older one will be waking up at 7/8am regardless of whether mum and dad have been up all night with baby number two. Anyway...that got off topic.

So yes he is being unreasonable and if he wants to leave, let him. He'll be the one paying more money and if the same issue arises in future he will probably find himself still having to liaise with a gas man in his new rented property.

user1479335914 · 27/07/2017 19:12

I agree with livefornaps. Its got out of control over irrelevant issues. Write the note as suggested. I would not ask them to leave, or call their bluff about leaving. You would forever be the bad guy who made a family with three week old baby homeless! Likely to alienate your SIL too.
Re. the plumbing issue, say to your bro - look, I know you need the boiler fixed asap, and I have tried to sort it from a distance, but as I am out of the country and v. pregnant, it has not worked out too well.
So could you take care of it as you see fit, and I will pay the bill - try to get a reasonable price for a good job. Thanks.
Having had brother trouble myself, I think it is not worth calling his bluff or making any further issues. Its not the best time for them to have problems, and they want to enjoy the baby in as tranquil a way as possible. Good luck!

Missolford33 · 27/07/2017 19:15

We're in rented at the min, if something breaks I need to cooperate with the landlady to arrange workmen coming over or it won't get fixed and this would be my fault not hers... Tell him if he's not willing to help arrange appointments he can damn well wait until your back in the country and if he wants to leave them let him. He's acting like a child.

Maireadplastic · 27/07/2017 19:19

Alleycat- that saying 'no good deed goes unpunished' is almost as helpful as 'no smoke without fire'. Awful.

Itsmytemporaryname · 27/07/2017 19:21

Stop mentioning the 'favourable rent'. No wonder he's feeling like a charity case.

Gingerandgivingzerofucks · 27/07/2017 19:24

Good email to your brother, OP. I bet he backs down, there's no way he wants to disrupt his family at this stage. I would not be renewing his AST, I'd make it a rolling tenancy with a 2 month break clause, so if issues do arise, you can send his Section 21 and he should be out by then. Don't allow a new tenancy agreement of 6or 12 months just in case. You don't need to make a fuss about this, just tell your brother it automatically becomes a rolling tenancy, no need for a new tenancy to be drawn up.

timeisnotaline · 27/07/2017 19:25

I would let them leave if they wanted but no way would I evict my brother with a 3 month old baby.

Maireadplastic · 27/07/2017 19:44

3 week old!