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To think my brother is being really unreasonable

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user1478433729 · 26/07/2017 08:17

Please help me to diffuse a difficult family situation.

My brother, SIL and 3 wk newborn baby live in the flat I own. To give some context; it's in central London, with a private garden, and was bought at a time (2000) when it was just barely affordable.
I've rented it to them since the end of last year when I moved out to get married.
The rent we agreed is what they were paying previously in their old flat, outside London. I proposed and agreed this as the amount covers both the mortgage and service charge - though it leaves no room for contingencies. It was my decision to rent at this level, and so far I've had no reason to regret my decision.
I'm not looking to make money from it, and my feeling has always been, as elder sister, to share my good luck with family in having a nice home in central London.
It's worth pointing out that the agreed rent is half the market value of other flats in the area - i.e., it's a good deal.

At the time they moved into my flat, their previous tenancy was coming to an end and they were struggling to find somewhere that was in their financial reach. Moving into my flat seemed like a reasonable solution all round.
When we agreed the rent, we set up a formal agreement so that everything was in black and white. I had the boiler serviced and made sure that all fire precautions in place. I also left the flat partially furnished (bed, sofa, interior furnishings, dining table) as they had none. I also bought a new sofa and also paid for contents insurance too.

Fast forward to last weekend. I'm currently out of the country and am also 8 months preg. I recd a no of texts from my bro to say that the boiler was not working and that there was no hot water.
I called out an emergency plumber that night (Sunday) to diagnose and his view was that a new boiler is needed. Mindful that this is going to be an expensive job of just under 3k (one that as landlord I fully realise I am responsible for and need to address, but equally an issue that needs to be addressed quickly, esp as newborn in house), I emailed 5 different plumbing co's on Sunday evening to ask them to quote on new installation and advise on speed of availability of 1/quote and 2/installation.
I cc'd my brother into these emails, mainly to reassure him that I was addressing the situation asap, and to keep him in the loop as to whom I had contacted.
On Monday am, at 7:30am uk time I recd the first reply to say they could have a plumber over to quote at 10am.
I forwarded the email on to my brother (assuming he would be ok with this) but chose not to call him as it was early and I didn't want to wake him up. He is currently on paternity leave with their 3 wk old.

Unfortunately, he did not read the email and was woken by the plumber knocking on the door at 10am.
He let the plumber in to quote, but afterwards sent a really rude and unpleasant email. I was taken aback by the viciousness....that I'm inconsiderate etc etc.
On reflection, I should have waited to ask if that time was ok, but I thought I was doing the right thing in terms of sorting out the problem asap.
I'm not back in the UK until the end of next week and don't want to just leave it until I get back.

If I was back in the UK, I would be on hand to liaise re timings but the fact is I'm not in the UK. I said that I needed his 'help' to liaise and coordinate timings for plumber inspection quotes.

I explained that it was really hard for me to do this and that I needed his 'help' to coordinate as I'm not in the UK, can barely get wifi/dial tone.

In short, he told me he wasn't prepared to help sort out the boiler issue as it is 'my flat/my boiler/my responsibility.'..,that they've lived in rental property enough to know that they shouldn't have to be responsible for helping with this.
I'm afraid I blew my top:
I said I wanted to address the elephant in the room which is that surely there is room for a bit of give and take here on the 'help' front.....,especially as I'm out of UK ....but also that I've tried to help them out with a flat where they are paying a subsidised rate at half market value.
This then escalated the situation: he's now saying they are really insulted, that they are not charity cases and that it's not like I need the money....and that I'm not working at present.....that I'm 'money grabbing' for even mentioning this subsidised issue.

I'm not working right now, have no income (am being supported financially by husband, which I don't like) and am not eligible for maternity benefits. I'm currently 8 months in to a problematic pregnancy.

Im not regretting my decision to rent at this subsidised rate, but I now feel deeply resentful. The 'help' I am asking them for is to ideally verbally agree a time with the plumber that works for them and to open the door so the plumber can inspect the boiler.
I need to get a range of quotes as it is going to be an expensive job (prob about 2.5-3k and I just can't afford to pay top whack).

I've never said or implied that they are charity cases but the fact is they are living in a very nice part of town in a flat that they would never be able to afford otherwise. It is a vastly subsidised rent.
I'm not expecting constant gratitude, but a thank you and a bit of give and take on the help front when I'm physically unable to resolve the situation, would have gone a long way.

In this one instance, where I'm physically unable to coordinate, I would have hoped that they could see I wanted to do a decent thing, both as landlord and sister, and just be on hand to open the door.
I'm just shocked and hurt at the amount of abuse that has come my way. I feel such a fool. Since the baby has been born, I've brought clothes, made lasagne....I feel such a fool.

He is now threatening to leave the flat and the situation is escalating.
I have not said a thing about them leaving the flat....but quite frankly, I'm feeling resentful of the attitude and the assumption that as I've a husband who can financially support me, that I'm money grabbing for pointing out that I've helped them financially and that I would really appreciate a bit of help in return in resolving the issue.

What to do?

OP posts:
SchadenfreudePersonified · 26/07/2017 09:38

Your brother is being a dick. He's also bluffing

shockhorror is right - he'styring to bully and emotionally blackmail you.

Call his bluff. Do you have a notice period written into your agreement? Give him that notice, but tell him that if he prefers to leave early you won't penalise him financially. You're sorry to see them leave, but obviously it's his choice and you respect his decision etc.

Also tell him that a letting agent will be coming round to inspect and photograph the property so that you can advertise it to re-let, and ask him to let you know when would be a convenient time. If her and his wife would prefer to be out when this is happening, that's fine - they can tell you when they will be going out and you will show the agent around.

Wish him all the best and tell him you'll give him back his security deposit after you've checked for damages etc.

I'll be surprised if he doesn't backtrack in a heartbeat!

gabsdot · 26/07/2017 09:38

As I always say, no good deed goes unpunished.

Fishface77 · 26/07/2017 09:39

Very true quite likely but the op hasn't escalated anything, the brother has.
The op has downplayed things but keeping quiet purely for the purpose of keeping family relationships nice however awful they are is wrong.
Yes he may be sleep deprived but (IMO) it's at times like this when peoples true opinions and feelings come out.

Send lovely message op, call his bluff. Tell him it's his decision but you understand he doesn't want to be a charity case so it's up to him whether he leaves or pays full market value.
Always sign of messages with love to baby send me pics. No negative feelings on your part then.

MagentaRose72 · 26/07/2017 09:40

If you had been charging the market rent, you'd probably have insurance to cover things like this. As you have already been more than kind, you could add up how much free rent he's had from you over the years and suggest he goes half with you on the cost of repairs as a result of you having no income and him having benefitted from your kindness for so long.

AlternativeTentacle · 26/07/2017 09:41

Less than 10 years old? It should still be in guarantee. I had one fitted yesterday evening though the one fitted in the 70s was still going...

Please don't spend that amount until you have had more than one opinion.

user1478433729 · 26/07/2017 09:44

AlternativeReply
Totally agree! But if there is no one to let the plumbers in to inspect, then I can't get anywhere!

We do have a contract in place and this ends in October.
I did not ask for a security deposit as...it's my brother.

OP posts:
ShotsFired · 26/07/2017 09:45

@user1478433729 It's a Vaillant ecoplus 824 installed in 2008. It was serviced in Nov 2016 and deemed to be fine.

Vaillant have an excellent reputation - one of the best available! It smells even fishier now...

If I were you...
Option 1. Call the people who serviced it and ask them to come back, mentioning that they signed it off 9 months ago...
Option 2 (what I'd do, actually). Call Vaillant themselves: self-service.vaillant.co.uk/on-demand/repair/availability/?requestSign=01966da2ba344e79bc83fa6f9f5353e7c5603884

C0untDucku1a · 26/07/2017 09:46

I dont buy the excuse thathe is tired. The bany is three weeks old. Not three days. He is still on paternity leave so there are two
Of them Tag teaming the baby.

My husband was working twelve hour days when my ebf Babies were three weeks old and i wasn't this rude or entitled. 10am is not unreasonable.

You cant afford to help your brother. If something costlier than the boiler happened you know he wpuld be a dick and you wouldnt be able to act quickly Due to lack of funds. So, you cannot afford to rent your property out at this price. You cannot afford to continue this arrangement.

Issue formal notice and put someone in paying market rent. You dont have a choice.

Tofutti · 26/07/2017 09:46

Let them leave, it's easier than asking them to leave at a later date.

You're £3k out of pocket for an ungrateful twat.

DingDongDenny · 26/07/2017 09:47

Put it back to him - What does he expect you to do? Fly home to sort it our yourself and let the plumber in? You have done everything you can do from a distance

And what about his consideration for your feelings? Yes, he is tired from a new baby, but you are 8 months into a difficult pregnancy. Taking the flat out of the equation, you are looking out for your brother and taking a financial hit for him, he isn't thinking of you, your feelings or your health at all

SlothMama · 26/07/2017 09:47

Let them leave, then you can rent the flat out at market rate. He sounds very ungrateful.

Tofutti · 26/07/2017 09:48

Definitely don't renew their contract!!

itshappening · 26/07/2017 09:48

Of course he was unreasonable. We rent privately through an agency and we are always expected to let contractors in, advise on suitable times etc. We are also used to letting the odd thing that goes wrong slide for the sake of good relations with the property managers.

I would cut him some slack because newborn, but also it sounds like there is more to this with the perception that he is a charity case. Some people really struggle with accepting a situation like theirs.

I agree with others that a sibling relationship is way more important than any dispute like this. Tempting as it is to retaliate in a way that will feel briefly satisfying, rise above it. You could tell him that you were very upset and hurt by his response, and don't think you made any unreasonable requests. Also reassure him if you want that you haven't really changed, you are still the same person and wanted to help him out but do not see him as a charity case. If you want to be really kind, say you also prefer a family member to a random tenant. I would probably say that you hope he can put the boiler misunderstanding behind him and assist with it, and that assuming he can you are happy for him to stay, but that you would understand if he still wants to move on. Hopefully you can both take some time before making any decisions, you are pregnant, he has a newborn....it doesn't seem like the best time to see it all clearly.

Firewall · 26/07/2017 09:49

I'm afraid this is exactly the reason things have to be done 'properly' especially in family circumstances, he should be paying a fair amount even if slightly under market but the rent should always at least cover basic costs and some extra for maintenance issues. As even if you are giving him an amazing rate, from his point of view it would never be seen as enough.

I would let him go or renegotiate a fairer price which covers maintainance.

IfYouGoDownToTheWoodsToday · 26/07/2017 09:50

Count you don't think people with a 3 week old baby are tired?

Are you on glue?😂

pigsDOfly · 26/07/2017 09:51

Agree with pps that you should tell him you'll be sorry when they leave but if that's what he feels is best, that's what he should do.

I'm not surprised you feel resentful and upset by his reaction. What exactly does he expect you to do? You're trying to get it fixed quickly and you aren't in the country, and even if you were there's absolutely no reason for you to be there to let the plumber in.

I had a new washing machine installed in my tenanted house a while back, I certainly wasn't there, I live 2 hours drive away, and I'm pretty certain my landlord's agent wasn't there, although he arranged it all.

All your brother has to do is to open the front door and show the plumber where the boiler is. Not too much to ask of him surely.

Tofutti · 26/07/2017 09:53

OP, my landlord was overseas and let his flat through letting agency.

It was great for both of us, the lettings agent had a copy of the keys but we always arranged it between us that either my husband or myself would be home for boiler repairs and other issues.

The letting agency took care of everything. I think you'd be better off with one. An end to the stress.

user1478433729 · 26/07/2017 09:54

ShotsFired

Agree...Vaillant are really good and I've arranged for an engineer to come today. In line with my bro's wishes, I asked them to call him first to ask what time is preferable.
Unfortunately, the engineer called me (still out of UK) to say no one picking up phone.
I can't do anything ... it is what it is.

OP posts:
IfYouGoDownToTheWoodsToday · 26/07/2017 09:54

I actually think if he does acknowledge what an ungrateful did he's been and he stays there, then you would be better to let an agent deal with it all. Then you won't have to.

sobeyondthehills · 26/07/2017 10:01

OP

We rent off a family member, like you we have a tennancy agreement and everything done properly.

However we also have a clause in it, then repairs up to a certain amount are our responsibility, as are things like getting the boiler serviced, and to be honest the amount we are saving in terms of rent for a lovely house, is well worth it to us, and also to our landlady,

Sugarpiehoneyeye · 26/07/2017 10:02

I really don't think that you should renew his contract, when this one expires. He is harbouring resentment, due to your comfortable position.
Do yourself a favour, and him, and take back control, otherwise this won't end well.
Also, your DH is providing for you, which you are not wholly comfortable with, and is more pressure on him.
You have been exceptionally generous to your DB, but your own circumstances are changing, with the baby, do consider this OP.

differentnameforthis · 26/07/2017 10:05

All those excusing op's brother's attitude and putting it down to sleep deprivation, just no.

I doubt that her brother would have spoken to a private landlord that way, and threatened to leave, so he has no right doing it to his sister.

I agree, call his bluff or tell him that he will have to wait now. Tell him yes, it is your boiler, and your flat, therefore you feel it can now wait until you have the time to go there and sort it (which will be a really long time) I bet he is grovelling in time once his wife starts badgering him for hot water.

DingDongDenny · 26/07/2017 10:06

He is passing all the stress on to you and expecting you to deal with it all, because 'he pays rent'

Firstly, where are his family obligations to help you out. Secondly, we all have to deal with shitty stuff sometimes, boilers and washing machines breaking down at bad times.

I feel he is acting like a child and wonder if that is part of the family dynamic. Is he the youngest?

elevenclips · 26/07/2017 10:07

OP you are allowing your brother to be nasty to you. He states you have changed since your financial situation changed. Which, clearly is not true, he's just taking swipes at you. If you allow him to assassinate your character like this, it'll only be the beginning and it will escalate. Plus it sounds like he doesn't actually likes or values you much if he ignores all your invitations for get togethers. Look at the way he is behaving, you are blinded by the fact that he is your brother. Would you allow someone else to get away with treating you so disrespectfully?

I would nip this in the bud, get him out and separate personal and business dealings. Your flat is business. Meeting your brother is personal.

Being nice and generous will not win reciprocity here.

StaplesCorner · 26/07/2017 10:09

Wow, see OP's latest update - brother wont even answer the phone to agree a time with the plumber. I think you have already given him the time and place to back down, you've been more than graceful about it. Contract ending in October means now is the perfect time to give notice using one of the many polite e-mail suggestions you've had here; just saying you have to put it out through a letting agent.

So many previous posters have said it - family and money don't mix. Very sad but you did everything you possibly could other than lie down and let him wipe his feet on you. Although I suspect that was coming sooner or later Sad