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To think my brother is being really unreasonable

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user1478433729 · 26/07/2017 08:17

Please help me to diffuse a difficult family situation.

My brother, SIL and 3 wk newborn baby live in the flat I own. To give some context; it's in central London, with a private garden, and was bought at a time (2000) when it was just barely affordable.
I've rented it to them since the end of last year when I moved out to get married.
The rent we agreed is what they were paying previously in their old flat, outside London. I proposed and agreed this as the amount covers both the mortgage and service charge - though it leaves no room for contingencies. It was my decision to rent at this level, and so far I've had no reason to regret my decision.
I'm not looking to make money from it, and my feeling has always been, as elder sister, to share my good luck with family in having a nice home in central London.
It's worth pointing out that the agreed rent is half the market value of other flats in the area - i.e., it's a good deal.

At the time they moved into my flat, their previous tenancy was coming to an end and they were struggling to find somewhere that was in their financial reach. Moving into my flat seemed like a reasonable solution all round.
When we agreed the rent, we set up a formal agreement so that everything was in black and white. I had the boiler serviced and made sure that all fire precautions in place. I also left the flat partially furnished (bed, sofa, interior furnishings, dining table) as they had none. I also bought a new sofa and also paid for contents insurance too.

Fast forward to last weekend. I'm currently out of the country and am also 8 months preg. I recd a no of texts from my bro to say that the boiler was not working and that there was no hot water.
I called out an emergency plumber that night (Sunday) to diagnose and his view was that a new boiler is needed. Mindful that this is going to be an expensive job of just under 3k (one that as landlord I fully realise I am responsible for and need to address, but equally an issue that needs to be addressed quickly, esp as newborn in house), I emailed 5 different plumbing co's on Sunday evening to ask them to quote on new installation and advise on speed of availability of 1/quote and 2/installation.
I cc'd my brother into these emails, mainly to reassure him that I was addressing the situation asap, and to keep him in the loop as to whom I had contacted.
On Monday am, at 7:30am uk time I recd the first reply to say they could have a plumber over to quote at 10am.
I forwarded the email on to my brother (assuming he would be ok with this) but chose not to call him as it was early and I didn't want to wake him up. He is currently on paternity leave with their 3 wk old.

Unfortunately, he did not read the email and was woken by the plumber knocking on the door at 10am.
He let the plumber in to quote, but afterwards sent a really rude and unpleasant email. I was taken aback by the viciousness....that I'm inconsiderate etc etc.
On reflection, I should have waited to ask if that time was ok, but I thought I was doing the right thing in terms of sorting out the problem asap.
I'm not back in the UK until the end of next week and don't want to just leave it until I get back.

If I was back in the UK, I would be on hand to liaise re timings but the fact is I'm not in the UK. I said that I needed his 'help' to liaise and coordinate timings for plumber inspection quotes.

I explained that it was really hard for me to do this and that I needed his 'help' to coordinate as I'm not in the UK, can barely get wifi/dial tone.

In short, he told me he wasn't prepared to help sort out the boiler issue as it is 'my flat/my boiler/my responsibility.'..,that they've lived in rental property enough to know that they shouldn't have to be responsible for helping with this.
I'm afraid I blew my top:
I said I wanted to address the elephant in the room which is that surely there is room for a bit of give and take here on the 'help' front.....,especially as I'm out of UK ....but also that I've tried to help them out with a flat where they are paying a subsidised rate at half market value.
This then escalated the situation: he's now saying they are really insulted, that they are not charity cases and that it's not like I need the money....and that I'm not working at present.....that I'm 'money grabbing' for even mentioning this subsidised issue.

I'm not working right now, have no income (am being supported financially by husband, which I don't like) and am not eligible for maternity benefits. I'm currently 8 months in to a problematic pregnancy.

Im not regretting my decision to rent at this subsidised rate, but I now feel deeply resentful. The 'help' I am asking them for is to ideally verbally agree a time with the plumber that works for them and to open the door so the plumber can inspect the boiler.
I need to get a range of quotes as it is going to be an expensive job (prob about 2.5-3k and I just can't afford to pay top whack).

I've never said or implied that they are charity cases but the fact is they are living in a very nice part of town in a flat that they would never be able to afford otherwise. It is a vastly subsidised rent.
I'm not expecting constant gratitude, but a thank you and a bit of give and take on the help front when I'm physically unable to resolve the situation, would have gone a long way.

In this one instance, where I'm physically unable to coordinate, I would have hoped that they could see I wanted to do a decent thing, both as landlord and sister, and just be on hand to open the door.
I'm just shocked and hurt at the amount of abuse that has come my way. I feel such a fool. Since the baby has been born, I've brought clothes, made lasagne....I feel such a fool.

He is now threatening to leave the flat and the situation is escalating.
I have not said a thing about them leaving the flat....but quite frankly, I'm feeling resentful of the attitude and the assumption that as I've a husband who can financially support me, that I'm money grabbing for pointing out that I've helped them financially and that I would really appreciate a bit of help in return in resolving the issue.

What to do?

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liquidrevolution · 26/07/2017 09:18

I had various builders turning up to quote for an emergency repair job when I had a 6 day old baby. They turned up 'as and when' and we were lucky they turned up at all.

I did not rant and rage even if I had little sleep as it was something that needed to be done quickly (leaky roof).

Your brother is a twat.

RiverTam · 26/07/2017 09:19

Agree to call his bluff and agree he should leave. If he backs down put it in writing that due to heavily subsidised rent you expect assistance with situations like this. You shouldn't need to, of course.

But frankly I'd get shot, get in tenants paying the market rent and give yourself an income from this.

user1478433729 · 26/07/2017 09:23

Thanks for the replies everyone.

I don't want to escalate this: trying to be reasonable, he is very tired at present, but I'm also struggling too. I have no energy for this!

I have reiterated clearly that I've not asked or implied that they leave, also that I will make sure any plumber appointments fit to their timeframe.

Reading through the latest email from my brother, the nub of it relates to his perception that I have 'changed' now I have a well off husband who is financially supporting me and that I view my brother as a 'charity case'.

I don't view my brother as a charity case but at the same time there is little acknowledgement that I've done him a favour and that I need his help in this instance.
Since we got married, we've invited them several times over for supper, but all refused. No reciprocal gestures either.
I want to be a decent sister and yes, help financially where I can - but I'm tired of being made to feel bad for the fact we have a very different financial situation.

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Mulch · 26/07/2017 09:24

You sound a lovely landlady. Whenever I contact mine I'm met with a wall of silence. He's probably sleep deprived and struggling, let him come to you and hopefully with the mind to amicably resolve things. Otherwise I'd let him walk.

RiverTam · 26/07/2017 09:25

Fine to be a decent sister - not fine to be a mug.

number1wang · 26/07/2017 09:26

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CauliflowerSqueeze · 26/07/2017 09:26

I think it's generally a mistake to have family members held to normal business practice. I'd agree that you should say that you understand and you're sorry it's not worked out. Give generous notice and move on.

Dumdedumdedum · 26/07/2017 09:26

Lindy2's is the way to go.. Good luck with the last few weeks of your pregnancy, OP, this must be all you need in the circs.

AlternativeTentacle · 26/07/2017 09:26

Hi bro. Not sure what I can do if you get so upset about opening the door when I am trying to get a new boiler fitted. So looks like I will have to wait until you leave to get it done. Sis.

Dianag111 · 26/07/2017 09:27

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DownTownAbbey · 26/07/2017 09:27

A dear friend let his sister stay in his London house for a tiny sum designed to be a contribution towards bills. Before too long she assumed she had rights over the house because she 'paid the mortgage'. Newborn or not I'd either increase the rent or agree with DB that he needs to leave so you can grab a stranger's money instead.

No good deed goes unpunished I'm afraid Sad

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thethoughtfox · 26/07/2017 09:28

Don't beg him to stay but make it easy for him to climb down and apologise. Is this a one off? Do they generally appreciate what you do for them? If so, try to move on. If not, and he really wants a proper tenant/ landlord relationship, sent him a list of the real costs he would be paying to rent there including contents and insuring fixtures and fittings insurance against accidental damage, and having the place professionally cleaned.

thethoughtfox · 26/07/2017 09:29

*cleaned when they move out.

emmyrose2000 · 26/07/2017 09:29

*UNacceptable!

Neolara · 26/07/2017 09:30

So it sounds like the actual issue is not really about the boiler, but about jealousy and resentment that he is dependent on you. I suspect until you find a way to address these issues, things will continue in the same vein.

thethoughtfox · 26/07/2017 09:30

If it is souring your relationship with your family, and losing you a lot of potential income, tell them that for the sake of preserving your relationship with them, this arrangement is no longer working.

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ShotsFired · 26/07/2017 09:31

Aside from everything else, is nobody else a bit Hmm at the condemned boiler? Have I understood this right, @user1478433729?

You had the boiler serviced end of 2016, and all was working fine and dandy, and by July 2017 it's kaput and needs replacing/repairing at a cost of £2-3k?

I smell something fishy here. I have had hot water go on a 20+yr old boiler before and it was repaired at a cost of hundreds (inc labour), not thousands - that is whole new boiler territory! I am concerned you are being shafted by disreputable tradespeople who will suck air through their teeth and tell you need expensive replacements that they just so happen to be able to sort for you, rather than work out what the actual issue is to fix.

Is there an immersion your ungrateful brother could use while you take a breath on this?
Failing the immersion option, a washing up bowl in the bath filled with a kettle as a makeshift navy shower is perfectly adequate temporarily.

And of course I wholeheartedly second pp who are saying to serve him notice. Money and family never mix well.

mrsRosaPimento · 26/07/2017 09:31

It's ridiculous to be angry because you arranged for a plumber to call for an estimate for a boiler he is using. Let him leave. You're not his mother, he's an adult. He is behaving like a toddler. He is a charity case as you're renting at under the market rate. He's using you.

QuiteLikely5 · 26/07/2017 09:32

MN does not always appreciate the impact of the advice on the RL relationships. If you ask him to leave then your relationship will be done for.

I sense you don't really want that.

Email back and say something like: you don't want to fall out over a boiler and that you cannot ring plumbers, book a time then call DB to check it's suitable - given its an emergency you believed that the sooner the better. Tell him you don't resent the arrangement and you want this to blow over ASAP.

Be the bigger person. There are more important things than money.

He will surely realise in time that he was being harsh. If he had a history of being unreasonable then you would not have him there in the first place?

Joinourclub · 26/07/2017 09:33

I think he was being unreasonable. But he has a 3 week old so I'd cut him some slack. Nobody is at their best when they are sleep deprived. As far as he was concerned the plumber called by unexpectedly and many people would be pissed off with their landlords in that situation.

I think it is hard to be a landlord to family. You don't want to fall out. It would probably be best to rent to him through a management company, and then add that cost to the rent. Keep the landlord tennant relationship separate from the sibling relationship.

happystory · 26/07/2017 09:34

Well said quite likely

IfYouGoDownToTheWoodsToday · 26/07/2017 09:36

The way he reacted to you HELPING him re the plumber, is so, so ott. It's as if a lot of resentment has been building up and he has now got it out. You have every right to tell him
I want to be a decent sister and yes, help financially where I can - but I'm tired of being made to feel bad for the fact we have a very different financial situation.

Instead of saying "Thanks Sis" he's resentful and jealous.

user1478433729 · 26/07/2017 09:37

Yes; this is what is so frustrating about being away and not physically on hand to get a clear picture.
It's a Vaillant ecoplus 824 installed in 2008. It was serviced in Nov 2016 and deemed to be fine.

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