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AIBU year 4 Isle of Wight trip!

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Twistedpantsagain · 21/07/2017 21:26

I have a son currently 8 years old and he will be 9 just before this trip takes place in the Easter term of year 4.
It's always been the tradition at this school which is odd as no local schools do a residential 5 day trip until year 6 and even then our year 6 is far more local than the year 4.
Anyway, my son doesn't want to go.
He's a quietly confident boy, has lots of friends and socialises very well but has no desire to go on a holiday that requires him to be away from us and his sisters for 5 days.
We are happy for him to not go as very child led family and have explained he will need to go into another class to do his work or I will home educate him for that week if the school cannot offer provision but I'm dreading the meeting I'll need to have with the head regarding this.
Anyone done the same?

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BertrandRussell · 23/07/2017 11:17

Is he often unwell?

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 23/07/2017 11:20

The likelihood of a 9 year old crying hysterically and wanting his mum and being unable to wait until his parents arrived as soon as they could is next to none.

ladyme · 23/07/2017 11:25

My DD went on a 3 nighter not to IOW in Year 4 and cried a lot on the first night, felt great by the second night and had a ball. When I asked her if she'd do it again she said definitely, she'd go the next week.

I actually think these kind of lessons are important for kids. They bond with their classmates, they are pushed out of the comfort zones, they survive and they love it!

It's highly unlikely that something will happen between 11pm-4am that actually requires you to be physically there. they'll all be tucked up in bed so he's not likely to break his leg or anything like that. If he was so upset that he couldn't sleep, a phone call home will most likely do the trick.

One girl wasn't allowed to go on the trip with my DD's friends and it was absolutely horrible for her.

FWIW, I was upset and really missed my DD, but it's not about me is it?

Twistedpantsagain · 23/07/2017 11:25

Perhaps, just so hard to tell with him as he's just refused to do any sleepovers at all so I'm guessing and maybe over analysing the possibilities of him needing me as I just don't know.
I will ask if there's anyway we can pay a deposit and decide nearer the time as it would be equally awful for him to change his mind and not be able to go if he wanted to.

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Ceto · 23/07/2017 11:26

He really isn't likely to get so distressed in the middle of the night that you would have to drop everything and drive there. You don't suggest that he's unusually lacking in confidence, and hundreds of children of that age do this sort of trip every year without parents having to flock over to collect them. You would be quite annoyed if you'd flogged over there only to find that he was sleeping soundly and desperate to stay because he's been looking forward to what they were going to do that day.

You said that you had to persuade him to do school activities without you there, and now he loves them. Sometimes we do have to push children that little bit for their own sakes. I'd suggest you try that with a sleepover or two, because otherwise he's liable to get so entrenched into this "can't ever be away from home overnight" mindset that it becomes quite disabling.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 23/07/2017 11:32

I think between now and the trip you need to do some sleepovers with trusted friends and see how he copes. Even if he has a wobble that isn't a reason not to do it again.

ladyme · 23/07/2017 11:47

The other thing to remember is by the time Easter comes round, he'll have solid relationships with his teacher. If it's anything like our school, they'll have lots of adults there with them and there will be at least one whose presence he finds reassuring and who he trusts. I reckon he'll have a great time.

Twistedpantsagain · 23/07/2017 13:03

I appreciate you all taking the time to reply on this so thanks very much.
I hadn't thought about that as he had quite a strict teacher this year so maybe that's why he's hesitant too

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ladyme · 23/07/2017 13:12

It's always a bit nerve wracking when kids are doing things for the first time, it's natural to want to keep them close! I hope he goes and has a fantastic time :) Good for you for being open to changing your mind!

SunnySkiesSleepsintheMorning · 23/07/2017 14:08

It's ok if your son doesn't want to go or he's not ready. Not all children are at this age. It's not some great indicator of his future ability to be independent. He's got plenty of time. That said, sometimes a little push is what children need. Sometimes even children need to be encouraged out of their comfort zones. In your DS's case, perhaps this is starting with a sleepover locally.

Good luck with whatever you decide.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 23/07/2017 14:11

Anything upcoming I reassessed nearer the time as ds was always like a different child 6 months on.

storynanny · 23/07/2017 14:23

In my county school residentials are for year 5 and 6 only so haven't experienced a year 4 trip although my boys did do cub camp. Thinking back, one was very uneasy about the cub camp and therefore would probably not have been too happy at a year 4 residential. I think I would have encouraged it though.
I understand your anxiety. My youngest son had(has) severe eating phobia and I was anxious about the year 5 and 6 residential trips, although he wasn't concerned at all. He survived for 5 days on slices of plain buttered white bread and was happy ( probably happy to be away from tense parents who had tried in vain to get him to eat a variety of food for the last ten years)
I would do what others have suggested, pay the deposit and see how things are nearer the time.
Just as an aside, sometimes schools need extra parent helpers for these trips. Would that be a possibility? My husband was a governor and was asked to go on one.

GhostsToMonsoon · 23/07/2017 14:38

I went on a school trip to the Isle of Wight when I was 8 or 9 (travelling from West Mids). I had a great time and when I came to leave Y6 the deputy head wrote in my leaving thesaurus how much he had enjoyed playing cards with me on the trip. It's understandable for you all to be nervous but might be well worth giving it a try.

ittakes2 · 23/07/2017 16:12

Our school had a 4 night residential in year 5. Some children loved it - others cried the whole time. Personally I think year 4 is too young for lots of kids. It's a shame they don't offer a two night trip.

Witsender · 23/07/2017 16:15

He doesn't want to go, you don't want him to go. Problem solved! I wouldn't send my child if she didn't want to, and I'm sure she wouldn't want to go.

BertrandRussell · 23/07/2017 16:37

But it shouldn't matter what the OP wants. And basing a final decisoin on what a child says on the spur of the moment, nearly a year before and before having talked about it with classmates and teachers is a bit daft, surely?

baddyface · 23/07/2017 16:39

I don't understand this push for children to sleep away from home. Our local school starts with sleep overs at age 6/7 and then every year the trips are for longer and further away. Ending in a Paris trip for five days before secondary.
My dd's brownie group also have regular sleep overs/weekends away.
It's like they think it's training them up for something really important.

My dd is 8 and does not want to even sleep over at a friends down the road. And why should she?

I went on a school trip for four nights when I was 12 and hated it.

As adults it's accepted we are all different. Some people would love a weekend of outdoor activities. Some wouldn't. We don't moan at the ones who wouldn't and tell them it would be 'good' for them. We accept that different people like different things.

Great if the kids feel comfortable with such trips. But why should the others be made to go. And why should parents be made to feel guilty or 'weird' for not making them go? I just don't see the point.

When dd had a letter from brownies about a weekend camp she gave me the letter and said 'I'm not going'. That was fine. She didn't feel left out. She was happy with her decision. Her friends came back and she enjoyed the stories of what happened. But she didn't feel any regret in not going.

I'm sure when she's older she will be more than happy to be away from home!
I don't think a trip at age 8 will have any impact either way on her in the long term.

mazed · 23/07/2017 17:47

I think it's very odd that hardly anyone has not gone on a residential trip. You must be in a very small school. It is usual for some children not to go, they will be accommodated at school as usual. Cost, medical, emotional issues will stop children going.

Twistedpantsagain · 23/07/2017 19:53

Yes I agree, I think because largely it's a pretty affluent area so that exempts financial issues and I've known of children's one to one support workers attending the trips for those with certain needs so just seems a very pushed for idea to be honest!

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Witsender · 23/07/2017 20:20

Not really, if my daughter said she didn't want to go, I'd support her. Not assume she would change her mind. Obviously I'd continue a discussion, but ultimately it is up to the child.

Twistedpantsagain · 23/07/2017 22:06

I had another chat with him about it today and said we could see if the decision could be delayed until nearer the time and just pay a deposit which we are fine with losing and he replied " I really don't want you to do that because then the teachers will think I'm going and I really don't want to " and then a little bit of upset followed by some tears followed by him saying he's just not ready to be like his friends yet who go off to beaver nights and so on.
He's quite articulate and explains himself well so I think he genuinely feels what he's saying.

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DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 23/07/2017 22:33

Why would you talk to him about it now when it's months away? He might have changed his mind.

Twistedpantsagain · 23/07/2017 22:47

Just was chatting about how much fun he may have and giving him the option of not making a final decision anytime soon! I was thinking to really try and get the head to agree to take the deposit in September but not the full amount in October like they're asking for and assess how he feels nearer the time

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KeepServingTheDrinks · 24/07/2017 01:47

Been lurking on this thread. OP, I'm soooo different to you.

My DD's first sleepover was at 2 months (it only lasted a couple of hours in fact, but the intention was for her to sleep over at my parent's house). She's stayed there regularly (without her parents) for all her life.

At her primary there were trips in Yr 2 (overnight), Yr 4 (IofW for 5 days) Yr 5 (France for a week) and Yr 6 (South coast for 5 days).

She's also done both brownie and guides camps.

She adored sleepover parties all through primary, and was often upset if it was just a regular party which didn't involve a sleepover.

So, you'll understand, I'm not coming at this from the same viewpoint at you.

Like others, I find it difficult to be anything other than enraged by your comment as very child led family because (a) it comes across as smug, and (b) it implies you care more about your child than other parents. Do you actually think that those who send their kids and don't go and sleep outside the doors of the centre care less about their children than you do?

If my DD was on MN, she would be RAGING at you. She'd be BOMBARDING you with stories of all the fun she's had (sadly, not with me) and telling you just how unfair you are not to be allowing your kid to have the experiences of childhood that were on offer to her.

I cried when she got on the coach in Yr 2 and I cried again in Yr 4; but I didn't let her see this because I recognised the positives in the trip.

She's now nearly 16 and is currently abroad (without parents) on another continent. I miss her desperately, and I keep imagining terrible scenarios (and keep telling myself these are just in my head) but what an amazing experience for her - one that neither of her parents has had. Why would I hold her back from that? She's also (in secondary) been on a German trip, been round Italy (lucky git!) and been skiing in Spain (where she broke a finger!!! Properly injured!).

Oh, and her drama group went to Gibraltar.

All of this without us.

Nowadays, she does all of this without a backward glance. Isn't that fantastic for her?

I once had a parent explain to me that her (youngest) yr 6 child wouldn't be going on the school trip because none of her children had ever spent the night away from home without her. She thought this was an example of her brilliant parenting, and (luckily) mistook my look of horror for awe.

As a PP said, you're raising an independent adult. Yes, (for me) it's fucking horrible. I'd FAR rather DD wanted to spend time with me. But I've always encouraged and enabled her, and she's had AMAZING experiences (some of those just on sleepovers after parties, it's not all about the international travel).

Nearly 16 yr old DD still has photos from IoW Yr 4 trip up on her bedroom wall. That's how good that trip was. And, actually, she wasn't very well that week as she was coming down/developed a cold, and was quite under-the-weather. She's filtered that element out of her memories.

I'm sure not every moment of every trip was all yee-ha and fabulous. And I think a PP was right when they said that schools don't necessarily tell you if your child has homesick moments. But I think it's all part of growing up and (much as I hate it) growing away.

I don't think any of this makes me not child-led. I'm totally PFB about her still. Way more than other parents I know. But I think the difference between you and me is that I'm prepared to see the bigger picture about how expanding her world is amazing for her, even if it means pushing her outside where she wants to be.

Having said that, with trips and sleepovers (because she's so used to them because she's stayed with my parents since she was a dot) I'm NOT pushing her, because she's packed a bag before we've agreed to her going (particularly the Italian trip, which she asked to go on in wk 1 of secondary and it was an extra-curricular club trip for a club she'd joined on a whim)!
But there are other things in her life where she's not so comfortable, but I can see the outcome for her better than she can, so I force persuade her into things she doesn't want to do. Currently she's training to be a referee at a sport she plays. She says she enjoys the training but doesn't want to do it in real-life situations. Meh! Her body-language tells a different story, plus it can give her an income to support the things I know she's going to want to do over the next few years which we can't afford to pay for. I'm ignoring her bleats and sending her out. She's fine.

That doesn't mean I don't 'listen' to her or respect her. It doesn't mean I'm not "child-led". I've got her back if she ever needs me.

But what I think it does mean is that I put my feelings aside for her to thrive. And why would I not want her to thrive? Her world is a bloody lot bigger than the children of that parent who have never slept in a house without their mum.

As previous posters have said, if you don't want your child to go/if he is adamant he doesn't want to, then don't send him. And I think you've made your mind up in any case.
But I think you're fundamentally wrong to hold him back. If you love someone, set them free!

emmyrose2000 · 24/07/2017 03:11

Excellent post @KeepServingTheDrinks.

Very similar to my family, and my thoughts on this thread. Going away on school or scout trips don't even cause a blink in our house, as they're just a normal part of (our) life.

My DC have had chances to experience things I've yet to do (or am simply not interested in doing) thanks to opportunities presented to them via school and extra curricular activities, and I'm absolutely thrilled for them. Some of those activities aren't things I'd necessarily pick for them to do as they're way outside what I'd consider a good comfort zone (abseiling down mountains for one!), but it's not about me; it's about them wanting to try out these things and they've survived every time. I'd have been very selfish to hold them back simply because those things aren't my idea of a good time or I was focusing too much on the "what if" scenarios.

DC1 is currently doing something that he needed a little 'nudge' towards doing when it came up last year. But now he is so glad he did it as it's opened up an entire new option for him that will positively influence his life for at least the next few years.

I once had a parent explain to me that her (youngest) yr 6 child wouldn't be going on the school trip because none of her children had ever spent the night away from home without her. She thought this was an example of her brilliant parenting, and (luckily) mistook my look of horror for awe

I'd probably have had the same look of horror (or at least shock/surprise) as you. That woman is/has done her children a huge disservice.

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