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Charlie Gard Case 3

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LovelyBath77 · 10/07/2017 14:15

A new thread to carry on from the previous ones about the case

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ItsNachoCheese · 10/07/2017 14:54

25-37th july for hearing... ffs more suffering for charlie it seems

Sluttybartfast · 10/07/2017 14:55

Why have these so called world experts not stepped in before now then?

The 'new' (and unpublished so unexamined) evidence is about whether the treatment can cross the blood-brain barrier. It was previously argued that it probably can't. But whether it does or not, Charlie will still be brain damaged and the treatment has never been claimed to do anything about that.

It's a last ditch move to muddy the waters and buy time as far as I can see

GinSoakedTwitchyPony · 10/07/2017 14:56

25-27 July. Poor Charlie.

EB123 · 10/07/2017 14:56

That poor baby boy, he is being lost in all of this carry on.

sodablackcurrant · 10/07/2017 14:57

Je suis Charlie indeed.

More time for the mob to gather.

11122aa · 10/07/2017 14:57

Another two weeks of this. I pray charlie passes away before then so that his suffering ends.

GinSoakedTwitchyPony · 10/07/2017 14:57

How much more of a circus is this going to be turned into in that time? The mind boggles.

AndNowItIsSeven · 10/07/2017 14:57

Charlie will be one of August 4th this new hearing could mean his life support is withdrawn on or very near his birthday.

AndNowItIsSeven · 10/07/2017 14:57

*on

Ceto · 10/07/2017 14:58

Reposting something I put on the old thread:

my limited understanding of this condition is the reason for Charlie being unable to breathe unaided is functional (mitochondria fuel the muscle cells needed to perform respiratory function) rather than brain stem issues, but am ready to be shot down and corrected on this point.

That's my understanding also, which is why I was baffled by his mother saying this morning that she didn't understand why Charlie is on a ventilator rather than having a tracheostomy, and if he's had a tracheostomy he could have been at home. Not only was it fully explained in the documents before the court, but the plain fact is that a tracheostomy can't work unless the muscles are drawing air in and out, surely?

11122aa · 10/07/2017 14:58

We will get celebrities visiting the hospital and all sorts.

CaveMum · 10/07/2017 14:58

I can't get over the irony of the members of CA saying the Judge isn't a Dr so shouldn't get to decide what happens

MidniteScribbler · 10/07/2017 14:58

That poor little boy. More than two more weeks of suffering. If he were a dog, the parents would be charged with cruelty, but they're going to continue to let him suffer and legally they are allowed to do so. I have no more sympathy for the parents, they are letting their child suffer.

MissHavishamsleftdaffodil · 10/07/2017 14:59

This will be stalled and stalled until that poor child finally passes away from natural causes.

It's wicked. A massive safeguarding failure.

11122aa · 10/07/2017 15:00

The Judge opposes the long timetable but I am not sure he could reject it or if he did it wouldnt be overturned on appeal.

LovelyBath77 · 10/07/2017 15:00

Are they allowed to ask for a new judge?

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GinSoakedTwitchyPony · 10/07/2017 15:00

Judge wants it sooner?

AndHoldTheBun · 10/07/2017 15:01

And the parents will likely plead for time to celebrate his First Birthday. Poor wee boy.

11122aa · 10/07/2017 15:01

His birthday is 4th August.

BoreOfWhabylon · 10/07/2017 15:02

Thanks Dorothea. Makes sense. Not that it has stopped rent-a-mob so far though.

11122aa · 10/07/2017 15:03

I am not sure it is wise through for the Judge to say everyday he is alive is contray to his best interests. That is fuel for the 'murderer' calling lobby.

Nquartz · 10/07/2017 15:03

That date isn't confirmed,

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Judge: I’m troubled by a long timetable, given the evidence from staff at GOSH that treating him is contrary to best interests

The parents lawyer is lying:

Judge asks about media reports that treatment would have 10% chance of success. Armstrong says parents have not made that claim.

I heard Connie say that on TV!

sodablackcurrant · 10/07/2017 15:03

Can the little mite die naturally if intubated and ventilated?

I don't think so. Such is the crux of the matter. Remove the artificial life support, and the child will die within a short time. Keep all the machines and he could linger for a long time.

But I am no doctor. Just my gut feeling.

Ergo the court case for a decision to either continue life support and give the experimental treatment, or remove it and he passes away.

Ceto · 10/07/2017 15:03

Re the permissibility of tweeting from court: www.theguardian.com/law/2011/dec/14/judge-court-reporters-twitter

BoreOfWhabylon · 10/07/2017 15:03

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Judge asks about media reports that treatment would have 10% chance of success. Armstrong says parents have not made that claim.

Whaaat?!?!? Heard her myself this morning!