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For making DP's sister's come and pick up their children?

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Boggysib · 09/07/2017 08:26

We were on holiday and visiting points of interest. DP is from the area - we live two hours away and were staying in an hotel along with our kids aged 6 and 1.

We arrived at a certain historical place and were trekking over to its play area. We were about to eat our picnic when it became apparent that our niece (3) and nephews (5 & 2) had been left with us to look at after as only DP's mum arrived.

Both dp and I were BUSY taking turns with the 1 year old.

DP's mum and was chasing after the 3yo while the 2yo was restrained in his buggy the whole time (2 hours or so). He doesn't get let out anywhere. He is a handful and tends to hit other children. I did not feel comfortable letting him loose. He got no interaction the whole time we were at the play area. I gave him a banana and topped up his water bottle.

So it turns out DP's sister's were away - one getting hair done, other cleaning house.

I messaged them both saying one of your children has been abandoned, the other being chased by your mum so she hasn't had a the chance to eat her lunch. I didn't come on holiday for this.....

We didn't get to to do what we had planned that day because we had to babysit their children. They obviously cannot be bothered with their children and dump them on DP's mum at any opportunity.

Wibu for thinking we shouldn't have been put in that position?

OP posts:
Boggysib · 10/07/2017 11:25

I doubt it roomster. I've think they will look back and think what a fucking arse I was.

Spoke to DP today again and said that a bit of support on the day would have been nice. He said no, I went off on a rage so I preceded him.

He said nothing to his mum about it and by doing that I look like an arse.

Fucking alone again.

OP posts:
Roomster101 · 10/07/2017 12:16

Hopefully, at least your MIL would have got the message that you don't think she can cope with three children and she will try a bit harder to assert herself. Considering your DP has been so unsupportive, I would just avoid holidays anywhere near his family in future. Holidays are hard enough just looking after your own children when they are small and unwell, let alone other people's.

2rebecca · 10/07/2017 12:32

If you go down again you have to be clear about when you are doing your own thing and when you want extended family time and checking that doesn't just mean MIL and too many kids. When you're doing your own thing be vague about plans and don't invite others.

Dollypartonsbra · 10/07/2017 12:36

It sounds like your MIL understood where you were coming from and has possibly appreciated the support. Having someone else acknowledge that it just wasn't on being dumped like that.
Can you call her just for a chat without mentioning everything that happened at the weekend?
Don't let one incident ruin this relationship.
I know you are hurt and vulnerable right now with your own family situation.
Take a breather and don't make any long term decisions.Flowers

Increasinglymiddleaged · 10/07/2017 17:17

I think you are being way too hard on yourself tbh op Smile

Thisisnotreallymyname · 10/07/2017 17:29

I don't think you wbu , it would have really annoyed me.

SuseHill · 10/07/2017 17:37

Sorry but you had the opportunity for your kids to spend time with their cousins? Why didn't you just make the most of it? Get them all interacting together? I'd have got the two year old and let him play too!! But clearly I appreciate family time. These are prescious times when they are little... enjoy them. It's memories for your kids!

umeAmaan · 10/07/2017 17:44

Oh god this sounds like my life whenever I visit the MIL. She's normally got my SILs kids who can be hard work whilst she's off out with her DH to the cinemas or for a meal. MIL can't cope and in the end I end up feeling sorry for her n helping take care of them.

Boggysib · 10/07/2017 17:44

In my opinion, the 2yo needs ones to one care.

But other kids need protection from him because he just batters other children.

It's ok cuz dp reckons perhaps I should take a look at my own behaviour instead of criticising others.

I'll just not say anything in future.

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GreenTulips · 10/07/2017 17:46

If there's a next time - do the same - dump and run!!!

SarahVanstone13 · 10/07/2017 17:47

I'm with SuseHill here...

it doesn't sound like you visit them often and worse I get the feeling you feel seeing a historic place that's probably been standing a few thousand years and will probably still be standing there next time you go more important than being part of your DP family.

Maybe your MIL knows that with you and her son living so far away she must make the most of her family around her while can, by opting to spend time with all her grandchildren.

rollonthesummer · 10/07/2017 17:48

It's ok cuz dp reckons perhaps I should take a look at my own behaviour instead of criticising others.

I'd be walking away from DH and his family, tbh-they don't sound terribly nice!

sleeponeday · 10/07/2017 17:50

Wibu for later saying in a message to DP's mum how disappointed I was with the day and how selfish DP's sister's are?

Yeah, I think you would.

You have every right to tell them to pick their kids up and stop ruining your holiday. But their relationship with their mother and her arrangements with them really aren't any of your business.

I'd also point out that you, more than anyone it sounds like, know how people can misrepresent situations. You don't really know what she says to them about their kids, or how involved she is. My own mother likes to portray herself as a martyr to the cause of her grandchildren to other people, because that's just her personality. She loves to make out that she's this self sacrificing type. The truth is that DH and I have to beat her off with a stick - if she could take over the kids completely, she would. It's weird, frankly, as she hated motherhood but adores being a grandparent. Lovely, but weird. But I know other people think we take advantage, when in reality we rather value time to ourselves as a family! People are very strange in terms of how they see, and represent, their realities. I'd imagine your SILs would have their own versions of the relationships here, too.

You have every right to set your own boundaries. You have no right whatsoever to seek to set other people's.

TheMysteriousJackelope · 10/07/2017 17:54

SuseHill The OP has said several times that the two year old runs off all the time, hits and kicks her one year old, and is generally hard to supervise. It wasn't a suitable location to let him out as it sounds like it was a play area designed for much older children where his bolting off could have resulted in injury.

Letting him out to hit and kick her one year old is not the stuff that 'precious moments' are made of.

Illstartexercisingtomorrow · 10/07/2017 18:06

Op I think you WNBU, but this family dynamic has existed for a while and you can't turn it just because you suddenly feel empowered and assertive. You need to next time make sure dh is on your side and get him to fight the battle with you otherwise you end up feeling deflated later.

Sils were wrong to do what they did. Mil wrong to be enabling them. All of them wrong to neglect a poor 2 year old. Get dh on board otherwise you will lose your new found confidence.

Sunnymorningwithbacon · 10/07/2017 18:14

Let DP go on his own and let him drive the relationship with his family. The outsider "telling it like it is" never ends well in my experience.

diddl · 10/07/2017 18:45

"DP says that the only way to to stop this happening is to avoid or engineer the situation so that everyone is clear of our plans."

So you need to spell out to them not to dump their kids & piss off?Hmm

That said, the sisters don't communicate with each other or their mother...

Oldraver · 10/07/2017 18:51

Take no notice of the batshit replies OP...It's a Full Moon

RevEm · 10/07/2017 19:14

Sorry but YWBU... the MIL had agreed to the arrangement...you should have taken it up with her, not have contacted daughters. Passing judgment on the two daughters is also uncalled for. Grandmas generally like taking children out, she probably thought it'd be nice for the kids to see their cousins, and aunt/uncle. Also, the fact that they're single mothers has no bearing on this...if MIL is willing to help, then that is between her daughters and herself. Nothing else.

GreenTulips · 10/07/2017 19:39

she probably thought it'd be nice for the kids to see their cousins, and aunt/uncle

Why didn't she think the sisters should be included as 'aunts'

Lovelymess · 10/07/2017 19:45

YANBU to text them. They dumped the kids and kids And I bet said to their mum "so and so will help you out with the kids" really unfair and surely they want to see their brother and his kids too?!

londonmummy1966 · 10/07/2017 20:59

OP - I cannot believe the replies you have had on this thread. You had set aside family holiday time for an extended visit to the ILs and arranged to spend what you thought was a family day out with 5 adults and 5 small children enabling your 2 dc to spend time with their grandmother whom they see less often than their cousins do. At the same time all 5 children would be able to spend (well supervised) quality time getting to know each other a bit better. This sounds like a lovely plan and clearly you had organised it in advance as you consulted with your SILs beforehand to find somewhere that would be a good day out for a fairly wide range of small children. SO far so good and a lovely idea - well done you.

So you turn up and find out that the mother of 2 children with quite a big age gap and one needing 1:1 attention has decided to go and get her hair done, presumably having discussed it with MIL. OK - I sort of get it - she is a single mum with what sounds like a demanding SEN child and probably needs a break (and MIL may well have thought so too). That by itself shouldn't have been too bad as your DH could look after the 5&6 yo plying nicely together and you could BF your baby and MIL could look after 2yo in whatever way was necessary - a bit of supervised run around and a bit of chat in the buggy etc. Not quite what you'd hoped for in a family day out but manageable. The problem really seems to come when the other SIL added her 3yo unsupervised into the mix. She was clearly meant to be coming and then just disappeared off to her car (I'll go find the others..) and dumped her child. This was then the cue for MIL to devote her entire time and attention to the 3yo as the less demanding of the 2 mobile pre-schoolers leaving you sitting literally holding the baby and dumped with the difficult 2 yo that MIL didn't want to look after. All on your holiday.

YANBU YANBU YANBU

Why should it be acceptable for the ILs to leave you with the SEN 2yo and the immobile sick baby (ie the 2 children that needed the most attention?) IMO every one else was VBU (except perhaps the SIL with 5 and 2yo if she thought basically the 5&6 yos would play together and MIL would be 1:1 with 2yo). So in order of BU

  1. Top of the class to car sitter SIL who buggered off to stare at her navel and basically abandoned her daughter. (I say this as someone with MH issues - I found my dds challenging at this age but I'd never have dumped them on others.)
  2. MIL for then deciding she'd choose to run around after the easier 3you and abandon you to look after the SEN 2 yo and your sick baby. Really bad show.
  3. Your DH for not growing a pair and dealing with the situation within 20 minutes of car sitter SIL doing a disappearing act - he should have been cross that you were left like this.
  4. Hairdresser SIL for not making it clear when the arrangements were made for the outing that she was going elsewhere and MIL was looking after her children. THen at least you could have decided if you would prefer to do the day out with family some other time when everyone was there or to go solo and just do it with your own children.

In fact of the 5 adults present I'd say that you were the only one NBU and perfectly entitled to feel the way you did. Perhaps you might spend some time thinking about phrasing/vocabulary in future if you feel that you were OTT in how you expressed your irritation. You also need to speak to your DH and make it clear that you are not the unpaid nanny for his sisters and that he needs to be more assertive in dealing with these situations in future - given you were tied up with an ill BF baby he should have been the one to step up to the plate and done so within 20 minutes of car sitter SIL doing her disappearing act.

Sorry - long post but as a former doormat I'm hugely annoyed not only with the way your ILs have treated your kind offer to organise a family day out (for ALL the family) but also the way that pps have spoken to you.

5achel · 10/07/2017 21:50

It was dm's fault but i know how you feel, dm is always doing it to me. She offers to look after dbros kids, can't cope so brings them round here Angry

OfficerVanHalen · 10/07/2017 23:12

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WellThisIsShit · 11/07/2017 05:16

You are taking your first steps towards asserting and managing your boundaries.

Look on this as practice, not a failure.

It will take a while to get it just right, some people have had a lifetime to practice, so of course it's going to be harder for you, playing catch up.

In a very nice way, I do think your last few posts sound a bit of a 'cutting off your nose to spite your face' kind of reaction. The way you're saying 'fuck it, if I didn't get it exactly right I won't ever bother again'. I get the frustration, and hope you're just venting! Venting is good!

But if you are genuinely going to give up and allow people to trample all over you, the only person you'll be hurting is yourself. Please don't do that to yourself!

Keep going and don't give up, so you learn and you get better at it. It will be worth it for your own happiness and wellbeing in the long run.

sleep had some good practical advice when s/he wrote:

"You have every right to set your own boundaries. You have no right whatsoever to seek to set other people's"

That's what you need to take out of this situation. Not that you fucked it up, just that you got it a bit wrong and you can learn from why. You got suckered into the 'poor martyr' grandma who has her own reasons for not being completely coherent in the way she portrays her reality to people.

You slipped into ignoring her own adult-ness and responsibility for her own decisions and boundaries. You thought she needed someone to step in on her behalf, and that she couldn't be held responsible for anything that happened that day. When in fact, she had her part to play in letting that happen in the way it did. Not pointing fingers or apportioning blame, just recognising that she had her part to play just like the two sisters did, and the brother did too, and of course you did, but to a lesser extent as you're not usually part of their family dynamic. They brought in their daily dynamic and issues and that's why the situations happened. And you saw that it's not a good dynamic for anyone, especially the children, and you reacted by identifying the 'aggressors' and the 'victims' and assuming it was a clear cut situation where you intervened on behalf of the mother/grandma who you had pegged as a victim in this who wanted to be saved, and who also would agree with your summing up of how bad the situation is for the children.

So now you know that you can't discount another adults role in a complicated situation.

You can't step over the grandmas boundaries in order to push back on your own behalf (and hers by default). You can't do that even if it looks like the right thing to do, because you end up over reaching and setting yourself up for a fall.

You have to keep focused on protecting your boundaries first and foremost, although that may seem an uncomfortable thing to do (I'm rubbish at it to be honest).

All you can do is identify and maintain your own boundaries.

It's really tricky I know! I'm on that same journey of learning how to recognise and uphold my own boundaries. It's bloody hard! It's really difficult to train yourself to think in a totally new way and also then how to act on this new way of thinking in all sorts of different situations thrown at you. Especially when you have to unlearn other ways of being to make way for new healthy ways to see yourself and your boundaries.

Think of yourself as having been given a surprise practical test in your first year of your A-level in Boundaries and self esteem Wink. Silly I know but bear with me please, if you can stop cringing long enough there is a point to this analogy, honest guv!

So, well done in coping with this surprise test your tutor has rather meanly sprung on you and your class!

For extra credit you had to identify the tricky double bluff bit which came in the form of grandma and the sisters existing family dynamics and the grandmas representation of self to different audiences! Ha, the devious mind of the examiner, putting that in to trip you up!

You got full marks for the foundation level of 'identifying your own boundaries' (yay! Big ticks and many marks given, it's harder than it sounds!), and then you completed that level well by a good effort at the 'maintaining boundaries and defending them' level... a good attempt but dropped a mark in the way you defended them, but you still got a good pass as the main thing is you did try and defend your boundaries in some way. (Yay, more marks and a definite pass for you, woo hoo, and perhaps a hi five to self!).

Unfortunately on this occasion, you didn't get the final advanced level points for 'tricky family dynamics and the introduction of a victim presentation of self'. Wink

Never mind though, you got a good solid B- Grin. It was a toughie and of course, you are only in the first year of the course, and you didn't do the gcse level in this subject did you?!

Next term you'll get onto the final and trickiest topics of the course... the changing dynamics of dh's, and their not so good behaviour either rooted in their own historic family role playing, or their resistance of changing roles in the partnership for their own rather unpleasant motives.

Changing yourself, changes the dynamics of all of your relationships, and people often don't react well to change, even if it's for the better. But that's for another time... another lesson, another term!

So, big smiles all around and congratulations, before you break up for the summer hols.

Right, having flogged that analogy to death I think I'll leave the poor thing flailing on the floor!

Please forgive me for the flurry of imagination there, but in my somewhat heavy handed way I was trying to make the point that you don't expect to be able to master skills first time in an area of life/learning where you have such a big gap in your learning! And you'll probably be a learner for a while yet, if this is your first attempts at doing this tricky boundary stuff.

And that's ok.

Don't feel a failure or give it up as a lost cause. So, you didn't do it perfectly.

But it's bloody hard and the fact that you tried at all is a massive achievement (if you're anything like me & countless other people who are learning this stuff later on in life than it should have happened). You wouldn't tell your 6yr off for not knowing their 3 times table would you? You'd know that they'll get taught that again and again all the way through yr2, and if she masters even 2x3 = 6 in yr 1, that's great and more than she has to know this term. You'd say well done for trying and I feel it felt right, you might bring up counting in threes again if you happen to see things that might help her as you walk past... you would never tell her off for having a go and getting it a bit wrong would you?

Or if the whole school exams analogy isn't working for you, what about thinking of it like learning to drive? You can only go so far with theory learning. At some point you have to get behind the wheel and actually drive the bloody thing. A huge leap of faith (& trust in your driving instructor). But you cannot learn to drive unless you keep on getting back behind the wheel and having another go, and another, and another. After loads of practise and mistakes and a few near misses, it all becomes second nature, automatic and you're not even aware of thinking about it.

You're at the stressful leap of faith bit where you start driving the car, and you will only get better if you keep on going, keep getting back behind the wheel.

Don't give up, and maybe try and be a wee but proud of yourself for trying. You didn't crash, the car's not a write off and no pedestrians have been run over, so it counts as a good lesson!

I will say that your later posts hint at some underlying tricky relationship dynamics which are probably more of an important issue than these bloody awkward relatives... if you can bear it, I'd recommend turning your focus to your dh and thinking about the dynamic there i.e. There's probably a reason he's not being supportive towards you, his partner, beyond the tricky extended family dynamics of this day.

Does he have a vested interest in you not learning how to manage your boundaries and start letting yourself have needs etc? Even if he's not aware of it, he didn't support you as well as he might have, in fact he just left you to flounder.

Maybe you could start a thread in Relationships exploring that side of things, and getting some support for your learning about boundaries. There are some very wise mumsnetters about all this boundary stuff and I think that type of thread might be more helpful to you than this err, feisty debate (?!).