To think it's inevitable that JC will be PM and TM should just let it happen ASAP

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They are now pretty much at the same popularity and in the years to come there will be millions more Labour voters and millions of Tory voters that will pass away. It's pretty much a done deal right? So why doesn't TM just go now?

Make How do you think we, as a country, should decide who will govern?

And who decides if an MP is not up to the job? You? Or the majority of the electorate in the constituency?

Again, if you are not up to the job, you should stand down.

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They DID!!!!!

In the case of David Cameron, in light of his disastrous premiership, he decided to find other things to do.

Again, I am not speaking of forcing anyone out, just that if our current regime, in light of the terrible failures, had an ounce of honour, they would step aside.

But they did, make. They really did. I saw it on the telly and even on Facebook.
And then people voted for them. About a month ago.

Boris, for instance, seems better suited for say political punditry.

Osbourne did a good job with election coverage.

Just not running a country.

if you are not up to the job, you should stand down.

So why is Corbyn still there? Despite a campaign full of lies, false promises and outright propaganda, Labour still lost. He is still the same dire excuse for a 'leader' that he was. The attempted Momentum whitewash didn't work.

If JC had any honour, he would step aside as leader for a more palatable candidate who would GET LABOUR IN GOVERNMENT.
The more palatable candidate could even palm him off with a job he obviously loves like, say, NI secretary because he has made such a huge impact in the peace process to date

Putting Corbyn in no.10 would be like voting for mr tumble. He well intentioned and good a public speaking and like by certain groups, but would in reality be f.....ing disaster. A man who's never worked for a living at anything other than campaigning on marches or chatting up champagne socialists, existing most of his time in the London bubble. At his 2 side kicks abbot is just embarrassingly stupid and McDonnell certifiably. Even if you did want the well wishing ideological Corbyn in, no-one with any shred of sanity would want those to idiots with any form of power. You'd need solid mid left experienced labour MPs around him to curtail his well meaning but totally idiotic idea factory.

Pay 16yr olds £10 an hour wtf? No 16 yr old would ever get a weekend job again. The only reason why shops and restaurants take them is because they are cheap. They have no experience, require lots more managing and not as productive as their older selves as a rule.

Huge min pay rise and raising corporation tax? Double whammy on business, pushing costs of everything up, causing business and job shrinkage. Great idea, particularly now.

Free uni? So everyone can go and study fineger painting or soenthing stupid for 3 years and get given money to do so from tax payers? What? University would loose a fortune, cut class sizes and courses, raise the entry requirements and would return to an elite realm very quickly. Good intentions but bad idea.

Right off all student loans ? £100billion plus, I don't even need to criticise this it's ridiculous waste of money the country doesn't have.

I could go one but really shouldn't need to. Corbyn will be promising free cars to every 16yr olds next if you vote for him in next election and he lowers the voting age.

Please uk get a grip, think about what he is saying and promising, it's total rubbish, he's promising you the world and will give the vast majority nothing but pain, hi costs and hi taxes. Everyone will suffer, except he super rich funnily enough.

Get rid of Corbyn get rid of the union block vote to stop then putting their socialist puppets in places of power. Vote a sane mid left person to take charge of labour for the next election who will show the conservatives how to do it. You out Corbyn in, poverty will rise, jobs will shrink, economy fail, and with the guaranteed no using nukes from JC, Russia under putin will probably take their only relay chance in 70 years and take Europe. Sounds a bit tin foil helmet I know, sorry about that last one, but think, America is not going to war with Russia over Europe, nor is china. It's only the uk holding nukes and the willingness to use them that keeps Russia in check. Without that, who would stop them. Punt said he wanted to make the ussr great again. No one did a thing about Ukraine so maybe it's not as mad as I th j it sounds lol.

Mr Tumble

Again we can speak of Labour and what if. We have before us now failure on an historic level.

Unplanned Brexit alone is on the level of insanity. Austerity is the ideological stance of an economic illiterate.

Jc really campaigned hard for Remain.. no wait .. he went on bloody holiday.

JC voted against or not his party so many times over the years, if it was so revolting to him, he should have resigned and joined Galloway or whoever. But no, that wouldn't be a cushy number on expenses for all these years. Honour?

A very good point.

As indeed is the question of why does not JC resign as leader.

Well said

They're all trying to help their party cling on to power. The two main parties we have in the country now are both utterly abysmal with no cohesion and no policies other than ones designed to hold on to power or momentum as long as possible. Neither leader has the long term interest of the country at heart, both will gladly see the country disintegrate simply to preserve their own ideology and stop their enemies opponents taking office. But...

Brexit was a protest vote
Trump was a protest vote
Corbyn is a protest vote

The problem with protest votes is that protest movements prey on people's fears with the simple objective of winning power. They never think further ahead as to how they're going to use that power for the good of all. They perpetuate a climate of divide and rule which in turn gives them more power. That is until the limits of their capability become abundantly clear, voters feel let down and misled, and another protest movement comes along to highlight their failures and sweep the rug out from under them.

That's why JC shouldn't become PM anytime soon. He may have been around a while but he's popular not because of his own policies... if he was why has it taken 30 years, but only because of other people's failures, he's the next on the protest vote bandwagon.

What true leadership would do right now would be to initiate a cross party consensus on how to deal with our biggest issues. Brexit, NHS, social care, education. Take the politics out of it, listen to each other, and all agree you're going to put the country first, not yourselves.

Crooks. The lot of them.

I don't believe Brexit was a protest vote. People voted leave because they want to leave the EU. The evidence for this is that the opinion polls have stayed pretty consistent since the referendum.

I'm not entirely convinced Trump was a protest vote either but I don't really know enough to be particularly adamant about that.

You do realise that in all probability the Boundary Commision will have sat before the next election and that will give the Tories an extra 20 seats at last estimate.

Also, would it be possible for the Tories to run such a crap campaign again? I think it was far worse than Michael Foot's much derided campaign in 1983, at least he didn't manage to blow a 20% point lead. Despite this the Tories were still the largest party by some margin.

I also wouldn't pin your hopes on demographics. Whilst, it is always encouraging for democracy that younger voters are starting to take an interest in politics, many people change allegiances over time (broadly left to right), why would you think this process would stop and Tories will die out??? e.g. The same people that voted us into the Common Market voted us out of the EU.

So, no, I can't see it is inevitable that JC will become PM in any likely scenario in the near future but hey, this is the age of political sea changes and conventional wisdom being damned.

So what you are saying make is that in your view, the Tories have failed, in various ways and so should resign en masse and call another election? or let Jezza be PM with a minority government?

I don't think they have failed and I want them to carry on. Does my view count as much as yours? What about my neighbour? And yours? We need a system really where everyone gets to give their opinion and then the party more people choose gets to govern....

Gove would make a fine assistant professor somewhere.

Nice little fantasy you have there, make. We all have them. Thanks for sharing.

I find no pleasure in No Plan Brexit. Nor what is happening to the poor, sick and disabled. Nor our lack of security. Nor the effects of austerity on growth. Nor the unsafe social housing.

Nor does any other reasonable person. Which is why JC, if he were honourable, would have stepped aside for an electable Labour leader.

makeourfuture Have you been eating the blue smarties again ?