To have told DP that it's nobody else's fault that he's fat?

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DP recently went on a training team building weekend with work. He kept texting me whilst there saying he was hating it and considering coming home.
Anyway once home he told me that he had been made to carry heavy stuff around all weekend and walk and run long distances with no regards to his health and he felt he was going to have a heart attack, which nobody cared about. He said he felt unfairly treated and discriminated against. I asked if he'd been made to do more than the others and he said he hadn't, but he had been made to do the same as the others despite his "obvious disability" (being overweight!). I told him being overweight is a reversible condition which he chooses not to reverse and it's not a disability! I also said he should have been expected to do the same as everyone else as it's not their fault he's fat!! Anyway he's decided I have proved his point that overweight people are discriminated against and he's going to raise an official complaint. I said he's unreasonable.

I would have more sympathy if he actually tried to lose weight but struggled to do so but he doesn't even try! A typical Saturday for him is a bacon, sausage and egg buttie (or two!) for breakfast, McDonalds for lunch (two cheese burgers as a STARTER before tucking into a king size Big Mac meal) and a huge dinner. And THEN a takeaway on the night. I have no sympathy at all. He thinks I'm unreasonable and at worse, discriminative. AIBU??!

Ok, I give up.

HEY FAT PEOPLE, EAT LESS! ALCOHOLICS, DRINK LESS! POOR PEOPLE, STOP SPENDING AS MUCH! STRUGGLING PARENTS, STOP HAVING KIDS! YOU, DRUG ADDICT, STOP THAT!

Hurrah, I helped! Its all sorted now, I cant believe just no-one told them! I await my parade

WannaBe Ahhhh shucks, I've been morbidly obese since the age of 5 because no one told me how to eat healthily... bingo! Obesity = solved. Thanks for that. I was put on slim fast shakes at 7 years old (god bless the 90's) and have been on a low fat diet ever since. I was 19st 1lb on new years day

Incidentally, I only started losing weight when I accepted that actually, high carb low fat diets we're advised to eat in this country dont actually work, but if you follow the Swedish dietary advice (High fat, low carb, moderate protien) you end up reversing insulin resistance (pre-diabetes), dropping weight and improving your health generally.

Here's 23 clinical studies that support that point and I can recommend a number of peer reviewed books that discuss the outcomes in depth. authoritynutrition.com/23-studies-on-low-carb-and-low-fat-diets/

The "fat people are fat because they're greedy and morally bankrupt and probably eat kittens for a snack" shit is the bit that needs to stop. Until we recognise that the "my plate" WOE is bollocks we'll always have an obesity crisis. Some people do really well on high carb, low fat diets but 65% of them regain the weight within 3 years. That number rises to 94% ten years post-loss.

If caloric in take and lethargy is purely to blame for obesity, explain why those people who lose their weight have the odds so stacked against them for weight regain? What is it about their lifestyle changes that makes it so invariably impossible to maintain?

Incidentally, those who lose weight on a low carb, high fat diet (study conducted in Sweden) have just a 34% chance of weight regain after loss, 10 year figures are due out in 2022.

Of course people are overweight because they eat the wrong things or in the wrong quantities. The question and point you're completely missing is WHY do they do that. Until we recognise that the mechanical causes of obesity are a symptom and not the primary cause of the problem there will always be an obesity crisis.

HEY FAT PEOPLE, EAT LESS! ALCOHOLICS, DRINK LESS

Its not at all the same thing, and it fucks me off when people assume it is.

People who say there wouldn't be so many overweight people if it were easy - how do you explain the fact that in a lot of other countries, the majority aren't overweight?

SwissChristmasMuseum because in non-western societies the diet-heart hypothesis isnt spouted as gospel and they're not advised to eat high carb, low fat diets... obviously

And what about the ones where they are?

SwissChristmasMuseum name one...

I mean the Western societies where the pyramid is more or less the same but the obesity rates are not?

Switzerland… for a start.

Italy

France

Swiss dietary "my plate" advise wasnt introduced until 2011...

But it wasn't that different to what was going on anyway

The common denominator always seems to be habits, portion size and crap-to-actual-food ratio. Habits being the determining factor.

Rather than proportion of macro-nutrients, I mean.

Yes, it really was. Swiss advice states to eat oils and nuts daily, avoid high sugar alternatives to dairy and other foods, to consume 3 portions of dairy a day and only 1 portion of protien...

UK: Low fat dairy products (=high sugar), 90g (90!) of sugar a day, occasional use of oils for cooking...

Because in other countries the relationship with food is completely different.
Can talk about France for example.
People will sneer at fat free products and will tell you to just eat the real thing but less of it. In effect, its normal to restrain yourself on some foods.
Snacks are not seen as the norm and necessary.
Meals are still more traditional. In school they still have a 3 course meal with starter and main course. Which means more vegetables and dessert is t always a cake (it could be a yogurt with no sugar, cheese or a fruit).
They sit down for meal and eat at the table, not in front of the TV (aka less mindless eating)
They cook. Not so much reliance of fast food, prepared meals etc...
Etc etc etc

I fully agree that knowledge about nutrition is essential. Yu can't be losing weight if you aren't eating the right type of food.
But all the things around, the culture of the country is just as important. And this is what is a king a big difference betwen France and the uk ime.

French and Italian obesity rates have both risen exponentially since the introduction of myplate in 200 and 2010 respectively...

Fwiw I very recently learnt that I'm nowhere eating enough protein.
Ive always had this idea that eating too much meat was bad (actually it's too much RED meat) so I have reduced it over the years replacing it by vegetables.
All good?
NOpe, wethere it's me or DH, we both being craving more just after a meal. DH w Do the eat one, two or three toast because he is still hungry.

Since we've added more protein again, things have settled A LOT and none of us feel the need to snack (of course of high carbs and/or sugar) afterwards...

Yes indeed. No eating in the street. Eating only at set times. No supermarkets where the crap outweighs the real, basic, raw ingredients - so hardly any ready meals either.

More fruit and veg than the other components of a meal. Salad as a starter. Veg with the the main dish. Fruit in some form or other as pudding.

Which is all common sense, Jiminny. How many people do you really think follow dietary guidelines to the letter?

As to low-fat dairy products full of sugar - surely you just buy plain? That's the thing - nobody is forced to buy these products which go against common sense if you do it all the time. It's supply and demand - if people didn't buy them, they wouldn't flood the supermarkets with them.

People rarely follow guidelines to the letter.

But when guidelines are telling them they shoould eat plenty of carbs, whihc most of us will enjoy for various reason incl their effect on the brain, the they will do it. Its giving people a big fat YES to eating more bread and rice etc etc.
When guidelines are that you should be eating 10 portions of fruits and veg a day, 7 of which should be vegs (and not the starchy ones), it's usually rejected saying that its impossible to do. Which it is. If you carry on eating as much carbs.

Low fat products are full of sugar because wo sugar they are disgusting. The only way to disguise that is with sugar.