It's too hot for high drama, but nonetheless we persist (Trump cont.)

[illegitimateMortificadospawn]

I'm all out of inspiration here. The grind is getting us all down, interspersed with terrorist attacks, but we shall overcome. In the meantime, there's gin and camaraderie.

Previous thread here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2952694

Quite Bigly . The way people can look at exactly the same information and put such diametrically opposed interpretations on it is baffling. I was in the supermarket earlier, looking at the Express and Mail headlines and thinking "How the hell do they mentally transform the self-evident clusterfuck that is May and co's approach (or lack of approach) to the Brexit negotiations into Theresa May is negotiating a wonderful deal for us?"

"We'll have to dig a little deeper under that one section" (with added gestures.)

Trump to sell oil to Mexico

Are you happy with the constant 180o turns?

If they make sense, yes. I have no problem with people changing their mind when presented with new information.

Which U turns have made sense for you?

Are you OK with calling the Trumpcare bill "great" when it came out of Congress and then "mean" when it got to the Senate? Does that make sense to you and why?

It's a hideous spectrum that runs from sins of omission, statistical sleights of hand, spin and obsfuscation all the way to outright lies and fully realised propaganda.

The cry of 'fake news' when you don't want to believe the truth of what you are told is absurd. It's also the Trump card and will lose its value because it is played so often.

Post-Enlightenment indeed.

Not much in the way of evolution in five years:

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account
@realDonaldTrump

It makes me feel so good to hit "sleazebags" back -- much better than seeing a psychiatrist (which I never have!)
8:06 am - 19 Nov 2012

thehill.com/homenews/media/340245-morning-joe-hosts-white-house-threatened-us-with-tabloid-story

Shooting inside a hospital in the Bronx

The madness continues.

www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/07/03/the-national-enquirers-fervor-for-trump

Wow. Someone seems to be in denial.

Republicans push for straight repeal. A WaPo piece (from powerpost.)

Straight repeal?

Sorry if that link didn't work. I'll try again.

Straight Repeal

Hmm. Successful but paywalled. You'll need to look for it. Sorry.

A large group of Republicans are even talking about seeking to scale back or cancel the August recess to allow for some legislative progress!

3 doctors shot in a multiple shooting in New York.

Just another day in the USA....

Finally got round to watching the NRA ad. My goodness. Like you said, a call to civil war.

Even my 9 year old DS (who heard the sound track) can see how totally and utterly mad they are. (He's now on an anti Trump, anti free-gun-availability, anti death penalty rant - and the really funny thing is I don't think I've indoctrinated him much, he's picked most of this up from Newsround!)

They use their media to assassinate real news. They use their schools to teach children that their president is another Hitler. They use their movie stars and singers and comedy shows and award shows to repeat their narrative over and over again. And then they use their ex-president to endorse the resistance.

"All to make them march, make them protest, make them scream racism and sexism and xenophobia and homophobia. To smash windows, burn cars, shut down interstates and airports, bully and terrorize the law-abiding — until the only option left is for the police to do their jobs and stop the madness.

"And when that happens, they'll use it as an excuse for their outrage. The only way we stop this, the only way we save our country and our freedom, is to fight this violence of lies with the clenched fist of truth. I'm the National Rifle Association of America, and I'm freedom's safest place."

Wow......talk about 'othering'. And once you start 'othering' people...

Thanks for answering ayylmaooo - and I think we're all aware he won the election... he certainly hasn't stopped mentioning it.

I meant winning in Government - as in meeting his campaign promises, enacting meaningful legislation, helping the voters who put him in power. I get that popular opinion is what it is - I just wondered how you viewed his actual presidency and how you'd categorise that as 'winning'.

You ever wonder how the Handmaid's tale could happen?

Just look at that advert...

Ari Berman‏Verified account @AriBerman 2h2 hours ago
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I'm now counting 18 states opposed to Kobach voter data request: CA, CT, IN, KY, MA, MN, NC, NM, NV, NY, OH, OK, RI, TN, UT, VA, VT, WA

More resistance:

medium.com/@KamalaHarris/be-persistent-be-passionate-and-be-persuasive-ce1e88426b60

The more states that express opposition, the more will likely join them.

Aylamoooo

Are you happy that he's made the US a laughing stock around the world? (He is, you know?)

He hasn't. This is what happens when you have CNN, the WSJ and NYT bookmarked.

I'm afraid you can add dozens more news networks and respected newspapers/journals/commentaries to that list- he is widely regarded as completely ridiculous, I'm afraid. His supposed toughness and bravado gets lost outside the States and he just appears totally clueless. And fucking dangerous.

www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/now-trump-is-suggesting-maybe-senate-should-repeal-first-replace-later_us_59564eb6e4b02734df31c05c?ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000016&section=politics

Also, I don't live in the US or the UK.

Trust me. He's a laughing stock.

See if you can read that WaPo article on repeal, lion. (My dismal attempts at linking having seemingly failed.)