To think that the situation in London could end up with riots?

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The social situation in London following this week's terrible fire is deteriorating fast. On top of the recent disastrous general election, a section of the population feel alienated. Am I being unreasonable to think we could end up with riots?

User is either just a worthless goady troll who needs to get a life or Norman tebbitt has signed up for mn.

Beyondstrongandstable

I think I love you

YANBU.

People are griefstricken and quite rightly full of dark rage at the way those people were ignored to death by their council and everyone else.

A certain political faction is doing their thing of goading and incitement, too. There will be riots and once again police officers and innocent people will take the injuries and losses for violent disorder that will fix nothing and in fact make things worse.

OCSock yes I do completely understand that, housing in particular yes very difficult to do

council housing at 1/3 market rents

In death traps.

Think about the rubbish you're spewing. Thousands of families are putting their children to bed night after night and they have no way to know whether or not greed and incompetence will turn their family home into an inferno.

And you think the most important aspect of this is that many of those families aren't paying market rent (although even in Grenfell loads were) or they don't own their homes (even though in Grenfell loads of units were privately owned) or that the adults might not have been born in Britain.

But those children might be aspiring musicians, so I guess risking their safety is meaningless to you.

If you really are an EU immigrant (I am, btw, and I've been a MNer for almost a decade, not a goady fucker for ten minutes) you have massively failed to adopt British values. Stop attacking vulnerable, impoverished, terrified people. They did not make this mess. They are the ones suffering and burning for it.

User are you going to answer my question?

Crack on love.

user1497617091 I know that your thought view exists out in the real world but I hope you're a troll.

How lovely the 2 'User' have managed to type their bile with those knuckle dragging.

I'm impressed. Now bigger off

Not bigger. Bugger. Go find a rock

With any luck.

@CaptainMarvelDanvers

I don't think anyone has suggested that immigrants are in anyway to blame for anything here?

It is just a fact that many of the victims who have had information published about them so far are immigrants (this could also be due to reporting bias?).

My comment was suggesting that one possible reason for this could be that immigrants have a higher likelihood of being in need of immediate housing assistance (for example a Syrian refugee arriving here is almost certainly going to be legally homeless and need of immediate housing assistance where as someone who is born here is less likely to be legally homeless in the majority of circumstances).

I probably won't comment again because this line of discussion is obviously upsetting people.

Also everthibkyouvebeenconned sorry if my name annoys you - all the ones I tried seemed to have already been used (I guess I am not very imaginative about names) and now I can't remember my password so can't change it.

You know when you have children, and everyone knows that if you treat them as bad or worthless, they'll grow up believing that, and it's often held up as abusive on the parents' part?
Well, this divide we're seeing, between the rich and the idle scum undeserving scrounging poor, is the same thing, but on a massive scale.

If people were valued, no matter how big or small their bank balances, this country would be in a far healthier state. As it is, it's divided by those who think the daily mail and Benefits Street are accurate representations of life for many people, and those who are affected by austerity and are extremely vulnerable right now.

You're showing your true colours here user, and it's not pretty. Thank god MN is anonymous, eh?

"People are griefstricken and quite rightly full of dark rage at the way those people were ignored to death by their council and everyone else."

Nobody was ignored to death by anyone. Council contractors screwed up big time and installed cladding that resulted in Grenfell Tower becoming a massive furnace. The Council (aka the British taxpaper) spent millions reburbishing Grenfell Tower - over £80k per flat in the tower. The tenants contributed nothing towards it. The idea that the Council neglected the place is a joke. Horribly, if the Council had neglected it then the cladding wouldn't have been put on to it and the fire would not have had the tragic consequences which it did.

The real ire should be reserved for the environmental lobby which pushed for insulating cladding to be put on these tower blocks to reduce energy usage for heat. The environmental lobby, and the failure of the media to ever question it, deserves scrutiny far more than RBKC Council does. Just as its push for diesel cars because of lower CO2 emissions did has resulted in massive air pollution and thousands of premature deaths, the environment lobby's policies directly contributed to the deaths in Grenfell Tower.

If you had actually done your research properly and knew what you were talking about you would know that the main group responsible for the London riots were from the Black British community, they were not recent immigrants, they were probably third generation immigrants. You are absolutely clueless and you sound like a nasty piece of work.

Stop right now with the immigrants being homeless and getting priority. It doesn't work like that. I've been homeless with children. There is a strict list of criteria you have to meet for the council to have a legal duty to House you. In Bristol, one of it was to have been a resident in the city for a minimum of two years.

Immigrants are not given priority by councils. Housing in the big cities like mine goes to the most in need. Usually the poorest people in the most dire situations. And it's not free. We pay.

It's thrilling living in social housing on big council estates. Not.

I do hope things stay calm, The Sun and the Mail are looking for any reason to start blaming the residents of the tower block and take the attention away from find out the truth.

Don't feed it, report it.

LOL user I think you need a valium and a lie down in a dark room because if you seriously think that was a threat you've lost it! I think the reason why people aren't taking the time to debate with you is because you're being deliberately goady, or you're a member of the EDL. Either way, no-on'es gonna touch you with a shitty stick.

People have died and lost their families and children and you think their thinking about stealing trainers from footlocker right now? Disgusting.

I said exactly the same thing to my DM this morning. I've got a real feeling that something is going to kick off. I really, desperately hope that I am wrong.

user1497617091 you are not a decent human being.

The underclass that riots is not left with nothing. Individuals within it are already subsidised by the taxpayer to an enormous degree - council housing at 1/3 market rents, tax credits, free education, free healthcare. These people spend generations as net takers from general taxation. If they riot it will be exactly as it was in 2011 when they looted trainers from Footlocker.

I'm sorry, but who are you PRETENDING to represent here?

I contacted my MP about the fact that these people were warning for some FOUR YEARS about various fire hazards with that building and all of their warnings were ignored. A bit of Income Support does nothing whatsoever to mitigate your family and friends being burnt alive because of something the residents have been warning them about for YEARS.

There is a great deal of anger about this for a reason, and I suggest you do your research.

This is a London thing - where the greatest inequalities are patently obvious.
Outside the London bubble - there will be no riots just an expression of utmost sympathy for those affected by the sad events.
It is not only the 'champagne socialists' in London and other big cities who are donating to the appeal to help