To think that the situation in London could end up with riots?

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The social situation in London following this week's terrible fire is deteriorating fast. On top of the recent disastrous general election, a section of the population feel alienated. Am I being unreasonable to think we could end up with riots?

fruitbats thank you. Well if that was true then there is my point being made very starkly.

If they aren't found, will they have to wait however long it is (5 years?) to be "missing" before they can legally be declared dead?!

AFAIK that will be the coroner's decision. It may be that, if it can be proved someone was definitely in the building but hasn't been recovered, they might be prepared to declare death sooner, but obviously they'll want to take all the circumstances into consideration ... it's a very careful job and they won't generally rush things no matter what the pressure

Where is the OP?

I ask you again OP, do you live in London?

I just read an article about Romania a couple of years ago, a fire broke out resulting in casualties. The public protests actually toppled the government

Awfully sad that it took people to die 😢

deffon I agree, clear communication is needed but before information is given out everyone has to be sure it's correct. Saying what people want to hear doesn't help anyone if it turns out to be wrong. 24 hours ago firefighters were still damping down small fires in the building, it is too soon to expect anyone to have definite answers.

There has to be an understanding of the community and circumstances not just protocol

Well a quick search to try and follow up the car parking situation reveals this from the Grenfell Tower action group

grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/2013/01/28/fire-safety-scandal-at-lancaster-west/

discussing illegal parking and stopping being worse after a car park was got rid of. I am guessing the 'KALC' is a leisure centre?

"Indeed, there is barely adequate room to manoeuvre for fire engines responding to emergency calls, and any obstruction of this emergency access zone could have lethal consequences in the event of a serious fire or similar emergency in Grenfell Tower or the adjacent blocks. In recent months we have observed frequent breaches of the emergency access restrictions in this area, by both service and private vehicles."

Access on that night will presumably be reviewed. Every second counted in dousing that cladding before it went up like a tinder box.

Reading that website I can see why people are enraged, post after post detailing multiple concerns.

Not condoning rioting in any way shape or form though

Blind It was BBC news reporting the access issues but very strange it hasn't been mentioned since.

ever I do not want to go into graphic detail, but protocol has to be followed. It is not as simple as finding the missing people laying in their flats with ID in their pockets. It will be a very difficult process. I am sure that the relevant authorities are very aware of the community.

I live one mile from Grenfell Tower. There's a helicopter over it that has been there for the last two hours. I do feel worried about the possibility of riots. The fury people are feeling here is not something I have seen before. People living round here are saying that the fatalities may number up to 200.

I hope not

People rightly feel very very angry they need to be listened to and heard it is a political issue and not just the Tories are to blame but what all mp's must stay away from is trying to score points

The media should also be responsible for how they report it's too delicate matter to try and stir up more anger

I'm more worried for millions of people living in high rise blocks without sprinkler systems or modern fir-resistant materials.
They must be scared stiff atm when they go to bed, wondering what they and their kids will wake up to

Or if they'll wake up.

The London riots in the 1980s started with the accidental, yet avoidable, death of one little boy caused by the Met Police.

It's certainly something that has being playing on my mind.

I live a mile and a bit from Grenfell Tower. I'm not worried about riots. I am worried about the poor families who had very little and have lost even that. I'm also worried that the right wing press is already stirring up resentment against these people who deserve our support and that a lot of people are foolish enough to let themselves be manipulated too.

I've not seen anything which I thought was written to provoke anything other than empathy.

Misssbootypants, if there are riots involving people with slightly darker than white skin that empathy will soon vanish from most of our newspapers

Yep, totally. I can see a repeat of the riots, especially as it's due to be so hot this weekend. I just really hope it doesn't happen.

I hope to God there aren't riots.

It's awful to think the emergency services who have quite rightly been hailed as heroes over the last few weeks, will then end up having bricks, bottles and petrol bombs thrown at them

The people 'rioting' will be people who like to cause trouble though..... hardly going to be those closely affected

Just an excuse.... and maybe a chance to break a few shop windows and loot big tv's

The warm weather is no excuse as far as I am concerned.
My skin is 'slightly darker than white' and I still refuse to accept any reason for riots. Protests - yes.

I still refuse to accept any reason for riots

But it is very easy to see how it happens, no? When you've lost everything and no-one is listening, where do you channel that anger? I don't think they're in the frame of mind to sit down and think through whether having a riot actually achieves anything.

The warm weather is no excuse but it IS a fact that warmer weather increasing the melting pot

No rioting is something I'd never do. Having seen the consequences.

It's group psychology. It would be very easy for some trouble makers to tack on to a peaceful protest. Once the pushing and shoving starts its easy to get swept up in the anger of the moment.
I think the people of London have been extremely disciplined last night. Not at all easy specially after what they have been through. Hope it continues but there is an element that love a ruck and will try and provoke something.

Yes Jacques I can see how it happens. I'm very glad that everyone showed some restraint yesterday. It must be so hard to bear.

Taking to the streets might not solve anything. But where are we seeing any solution? Any change? Any putting people before profits?

It the hopelessness, plus anger which leads to rioting.