To think that the situation in London could end up with riots?

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The social situation in London following this week's terrible fire is deteriorating fast. On top of the recent disastrous general election, a section of the population feel alienated. Am I being unreasonable to think we could end up with riots?

@ everthibkyouvebeenconned

I have not said anything anti-immigrant! In fact, if anything, the opposite! And I certainly haven't said anything that could be described as "bile" unlike yourself and the others bringing swearing and insults to this conversation.

(Not that it has any relevance but both my parents were immigrants to this country)

@EngTech he didn't actually say that though, he didn't say who they should requisition from

Wtf? Why does people's country of birth come into this?

Regardless if they were born here or not, hundreds of people have been allowed to live in a dangerous building, Tibet been ignored when they've asked for safety.
They've now lost their homes and many have lost their lives, friends and family.

How fucking dare you bring immigration into this?! It doesn't matter, they were let down and tested awfully until the unthinkable happened and that isn't ok and someone needs to answer for it.

The Corbyn comment was taken completely out of context. He said it was grossly unfair that rich investors had bought up nearby property (which is empty most of the time) while social housing had been sold off and these people are going to struggle to find alternative acconafatin in the local area.

You should read it and form your own opinions and not those perpetuated by the right wing press.

Also, To bring immigration into this is low. Take a look at yourself.

Does it matter if people in the tower were immigrants or not.It doesn't make them any less dead,doesn't make it less of a tragedy for all involved.
As to the suggestion that the authorities are covering up the number of dead,just stop and think for a moment about how they died.You would want to be identify people for relatives if possible.If I had been there I would have been holding my daughter as families there would have done,how do you work out how many like this.Look at the tower and imagine what those firemen are seeing and dealing with.
As for rioting haven't we seen enough destruction and death in London this month.

council housing has been colonised by immigrants.

Do you have any official stats to back this assertion? Or is it just that you heard about two families with brown skin getting a council flat when your brothers, workmates, sisters cousin was waiting for one.

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The problem is that there are two of you on this thread called User1491blahblahblah and most people get the two confused. They just see the beginning of the name and assume that all Users are the same person. Change to a proper user name.

I would fully support peaceful rally's and protests as I think it shows solidarity and support with those who are affected and it is a way of getting your voice heard. I would obviously not support rioting or destruction of property. Protesting is fine, rioting is not.

We're all taxpayers - if we buy a bar of chocolate we pay VAT. The issue is where the balance sits over a persons lifetime - net taker from the tax pot or net contributors.

The original comment didn't draw that distinction and it's fatuous to pretend it did. It was intentionally divisive bollocks and you know it - otherwise why say 'UK taxpayers' rather than 'net contributors'?

At any rate, the majority of UK-born citizens aren't net contributors either. You'll be wanting some more EEA immigrants, or those who arrived after about 1999 for those who are more likely to be having a positive fiscal impact.

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I love an argument, I love shooting fish in a barrel but I honestly can't bring myself to talk to anyone who would seriously suggest that it would have been better if white British folks were housed in a building that became a towering inferno, than new migrants.

Alternative accommodation. Due to gentrification and the fact that social housing has been a despairingly low priority of the government for too fucking long.

How the fuck you can justify bringing people's races and places of birth into this is beyond me.

Apologies nice user

Does anyone really think for one second that this tragedy would have been averted if we'd had a Labour government these past years?

Are council buildings in Labour boroughs checked any more rigourously? No. What would JC have actually done differently?

Very bad taste to bring up the ethnicity of those taking up council accommodation. This is London fgs. What do you think are the ethnicities of the people living in the multi-million pound houses? Middle Eastern, Russian, European, you name it. Many of them are the highest tax payers in the U.K. We live in K&C and I can't think if one full British family in our street. Housing is allocated to those most in need or purchased by who can afford it, regardless of your country of origin.

I love an argument, I love shooting fish in a barrel but I honestly can't bring myself to talk to anyone who would seriously suggest that it would have been better if white British folks were housed in a building that became a towering inferno, than new migrants.

Exactly this.

Also, I bet that there are as many Non UK born people living in the expensive flats near by as there were in Grenfall Tower.

Sadly when people don't feel they are listened to they resort to other means. It is understandable to a certain extent. I was outraged as soon as I saw what had happened.

Thinking of the logical follow-through here, someone views immigrants so poorly, yet would rather white British people had burnt to death? Surely you should be happy that the building was only "colonised by immigrants" and not anyone y'know, important ?

ElGato excellent point about Labour councils. I really don't see that any party has the moral high ground on this. From reading the papers today, it feels like the issue was kicked into the long grass by different parties and politicians for twenty years.
Regarding the multimillionaires and billionaires who come to London from all over the world. How about they put something into the city for a change and pay for these poor people to replace their possessions?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-40290158

I don't think anyone on here is condoning rioting but there is a part of me that can understand it. For the last 30 years, there has been an ever growing chasm between the top 1-2% of society and everyone else. Research has shown that countries that are relatively poor but where wealth is fairly evenly distributed tend to be happier than richer countries where there is a vast gap between the richest and poorest.

When parents had to throw their little children out of windows to save them burning to death,
I don't think it's relevant if those parents were immigrants
Or if their children were

"colonised by immigrants" is possibly the most unwittingly ironic thing I have ever read on here. We have immigration because WE colonised.

I've changed my mind. I think that it's valid to suggest that council housing should only be for new migrants. I was born on a London council estate, not dissimilar to the one being discussed, to migrant parents. Neither I nor any of my four siblings ever had to seek help from the state for our housing needs. We got in, our leg up and then fended for ourselves.

One of my siblings has a profoundly disabled child so might not be a net contributor but she's a higher rate tax payer, so it's lot through lack of trying.

Riots are less likely if people feel that those responsible will be punished promptly, with say corporate manslaughter charges
If they think it'll all be brushed under a carpet to save those at the top;
if they think that a public enquiry is just a delaying tactic, then some may explode in rage.

@ everthibkyouvebeenconned thank you for apologising I appreciate it.

@SnickersWasAHorse you are right, I need to reset my password and change my name as it does confuse people having multiple "users"

this is user1491260401, hopefully I have now successfully changed my name to something less confusing.