To think that the situation in London could end up with riots?

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The social situation in London following this week's terrible fire is deteriorating fast. On top of the recent disastrous general election, a section of the population feel alienated. Am I being unreasonable to think we could end up with riots?

Under the media radar, or perhaps not reported, a lot of people I speak with are commenting that almost everyone who had a connection to Grenfell Tower appears to be an immigrant to the U.K. and that this shows how, contrary to what the government and media say, council housing has been colonised by immigrants.

Everyone I have spoken to has agonised over whether they would have followed advice and stay put, how horrendous it would be to get to the stage you are throwing your children out the window as a last ditch hope they survive, the guilt of getting out while some of your family get lost on way down.

And now more frighteningly how few people arrived at distribution centres to collect items community had rallied to send.....desperately hoping that it's because people affected are staying with friends/family and have basic items but worrying it's actually because the death toll is sky high.

Nobody I have spoken to has mentioned the names being a bit foreign sounding.

I saw on TV a lawyer saying that there should be an inquest not a public enquiry. An inquest would give the victims a chance to ask questions whereas a public enquiry is run by the government

If we don't have suitable housing except shitty tower blocks to house people we shouldn't be really taking in all these people.
Tower blocks may house more people but there not safe and should only be built to a certain floor level.
Because London is so overcrowded the council are pushed to build these horrendous buildings.

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Rioting solves nothing and just makes the funds situation worse. Never understand why people think this is the way to resolve anything.

My history teacher had a good point. He said violence does solve problems. At the very least it releases some pressure which allows for people to get around a table to discuss the issue.

Why do some people think rioting is an acceptable a way to respond to a tragedy? I dont get it.

I haven't read past page 1 but there is almost an air of expectant glee in some posts.

I said the same this morning to my friend. I also said the amount of people becoming disenfranchised in this country seems to be on the increase.

And I've always said those disenfranchised people are more at risk of extremism is the past - so I guess they are more at risk if may extreme behaviour such as riots.

It's time to forget parliament and majorities and find a real way to get the Great back into Britain by working together for all in society.

"Tower blocks may house more people but there not safe and should only be built to a certain floor level."

Well I'm not a fan of highrises but in most other countries in the world they are safe.

They are not 'releasing the figures' as they don't know. As we speak a very dear friend of mine is risking his life entering an unstable and dangerous building to try and recover with dignity the dead. The firemen can't even enter some of the flats safely so can't look for bodies. He is really upset at the media and some utterly stupid 'celebrities' and politicians whipping this into a frenzy. He says they don't know what caused it yet (although the Press and Labour part seem to know somehow). Oh and those policeman who were attacked at the Town Hall yesterday were the same people who stood under burning debry this week to help survivors. I am angry - it's where I grew up - but this is being politicised and used to create hatred. We don't need anymore of that. Yes don't like politicians but don't blame them for things you have no proof off

Police weren't attacked, they were stood in the way of people trying to enter a building without permission. I don't think that, logically, the people were right to do this, but it still isn't the same as "attacking" the police - that suggests an intentional attack.

Er they were. Friends husband got thumped in the face by a large fist, not sure it belonged to a fellow copper

Police weren't attacked, they were stood in the way of people trying to enter a building without permission

Semantics, I'm afraid ... and I've yet to see an explanation of exactly why any desperate, homeless Grenfell resident would need to cover their faces while at the Council office

A natural and utterly justified sympathy for all the victims doesn't prevent an acceptance that some there were troublemakers, merely out for a ruck

I was there yesterday helping and people just carried on and laughed at the likes of the SWP, who try and claim responsibility for every protest. Most people just carried on and didn't march. Not that I blame the genuinely angry people that did.

At the vigil last night, it was difficult to hear at times because of the police helicopter. I saw what I assume we're police riot vans parked in local streets, which felt a bit intimidating but in general they kept a low profile. People were sad and calm, some are angry but talk about it.

There are a few conspiracy theories - not surprising in the absence of official information.

Well said Puzzled

I think the OP is right to be concerned at the possibility but think that it is unlikely.

Make sure if you live in K+C or any of the other areas in London run by heartless right wing Tory councils you go an vote them out in London Borough elections in May 2018.

Nowadays most marches have a number of agents provocateurs. Really it is time that the organisers of marches realised that and made sure than they don't get away with their actions.

The comment that "Council housing goes to those most in need. The fella arriving from war torn Syria, with nowhere else to go is in greater need than the local who is staying in her mum's overcrowded flat." is nonsensical.

Council housing is a limited resource. It is not incumbent on those living in the U.K. to fund housing for the whole world. The post-WW2 social welfare system (including provision of council housing) is based on everyone accepting a common safety net for those living here. I give a warning to those on the left - your love of immigration is aiding the Conservatives in killing off the U.K.'s social welfare system.

Grenfell Tower is a tragedy for those living in it. However, there there is a greater tragedy that is going on for the past twenty years in London which sees young local families living in overcrowded conditions while third world immigrants sweep into the city and absorb hundreds of millions in taxpayer funding.

I was having a conversation with a ex colleague who said much of this and more..along the lines that as many came from third world countries they wouldn't have had high expectations of the housing other than roof over head and the accusations that they had expressed concern over safety were unlikely..

But it is true that the council will now have to find other accommodation for them putting more pressure on the existing stock and pushing others further down the list..

If there is rioting it will be because it has given thugs an excuse for fighting/thieving etc..those truly affected will have far more on their plates at the moment.
Meanwhile those poor souls will still have to rebuild lives...

I think rioting is likely as none of the recent protests e.g. Nhs have resulted in any changes. What choice do people have but to up the anti. I just hope July 1st does not get hit by a terror attack, it is getting enough publicity. The whole thing is a tragic nightmare. The pitchforks are coming.

Ante not anti, autocorrect fail

saints k&c is labour now.

K&C is a local authority where the conservatives are in power. One of the areas MPs is now labour.

People need to calm down and let fire, police and recovery services do their job.

Inciting a riot (here) is not going help anything

mirime we could live in the same borough.

The 'rent a crowd' line to whoever wrote it is unfair. I was on the march through Central London last night and we weren't a mob, despite the fact that the traffic from Oxford Circus through to Queensway reached a standstill everyone was beeping their horns and cheering on the march from their cars, buses and the pavement. People are furious about this and when one member of the public tried to incite someone on the march the police didn't stop it - other marchers did. People are behind the residents of Grenfell and their community and want to get justice for them and to stop this happening to the rest of us that live in properties 'not fit for human habitation' or with Landlords that put profit before safety.

Yesterday 11:57 BorisTrumpsHair

It the hopelessness, plus anger which leads to rioting

You say that as though it is inevitable and automatic. People can choose their response. Some people have responded by helping the victims, supporting the emergency services and, quite rightly demanding a full and fair process to ensure this doesn't happen again. All of this is possible without riots and violence.