To think that the situation in London could end up with riots?

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The social situation in London following this week's terrible fire is deteriorating fast. On top of the recent disastrous general election, a section of the population feel alienated. Am I being unreasonable to think we could end up with riots?

HiNotanother and apologies again

When parents had to throw their little children out of windows to save them burning to death,
I don't think it's relevant if those parents were immigrants
Or if their children were

Exactly!!

The guardian has just posted an article about this the might interest some people:
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/16/grenfell-britain-fails-migrants-north-kensington-london-refugee

The comment about if we had a Labour Government would it have made a difference. Actually, I think it might in a way. We would not have been hit with austerity based on ideology instead of necessity that we've had over the past 7 years. Would we have seen the cuts to fire services? as far as I'm aware these cuts and changes to regulations have meant that fire services inspections no longer happen in the way they used to. So many corners have been cut and coucnils just don't have enough people running them now that could have led to a whole host of problems that have led to this.

User "accuses" the victims of being recent immigrants (since when has this been a crime" and in the same breath says: "These people spend generations as net takers from general taxation"

And User now wants us to turn our anger against the environmental movement because the contractor used highly flammable cladding

Immigration is quite simply NOT A RELEVANT ISSUE when you are talking about this kind of event. Immigration is a real issue and concern for many, but it just doesn't make any sense.

We are all people of a muchness in an inferno, and I haven't met anyone, be they Labour, Conservative or UKIP who is anything but disgusted and saddened, and perhaps even angry regarding this tragedy, particularly given that it looks like it was entirely avoidable.

Personally I think user5647654754 seems like a caricature, what someone thinks a right of centre/right wing person is like.

User "accuses" the victims of being recent immigrants (since when has this been a crime" and in the same breath says: "These people spend generations as net takers from general taxation"

But you know people are talking nonsense when they resort to this sort of twaddle. Plenty of lesser charges has been done on the so called generations of benefit scrounges, and they don't exist. It's the Tory bogeyman story.

Lesser charges should read research.

Aldadros

Comment noted, however

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40303142 😀

@BigChocFrenzy, voobylooby, HarrietKettleWasHere, and anyone else questioning why the nationality of the residents is relevant.

It is relevant because there is a possibility that this was able to happen because the majority of the residents seem to be disadvantaged or disenfranchised in some way and it might be the case that as a result of being recent immigrants they didn't have the necessary social and political capital in order to successfully object to the standards of their living environment.

Two important questions now (aside from how they can be helped of course) are "why did this happen" and "why was that allowed to occur". Resident demographics are likely to be a part of any analysis of this.

Rather than rioting, there must be a powerful yet peaceful way of showing mass solidarity with all the victims of this government and protest against their outrageous politics.

I dunno,. like a massive silent march with lanterns at midnight, something that is unsettling and a bit haunting for those in power but peaceful?

This thread is unbelievable but it does bear out a theory of mine which is that the propaganda of austerity and the undeserving poor has well and truly worked. People who are poor(anyone who requires benefits) are seen as undeserving, they have been othered.

Therefore they can be ignored , they can have £5k less spent on cladding so that they live in a tinder box and its ok. It is justifiable, and it is seen as justifiable by the press and every person who has ever justified austerity with the phrase "we cant afford it"
5th richest nation in the world and we cant afford fire repellent cladding! Let that sink in.

I have dipped in and out of mn for years and have lost count of the shrill posts shrieking we cant afford it. This is what happens when we fail to hold governments to account and allow them to "other"

As for the well there all immigrants people - i would suggest you never fall ill, never have a crisis because then you too will be othered.

Sky news is showing a protest at kensington town hall.

Also on BBC news

Crowds getting inside town hall

What do we expect. These people want to know if their family and friends are dead. They have looked after themselves. No one is helping them on the ground

They are bring treated like dirt. Again

To me, the dignity and sadness of those who have either lost loved ones or cannot locate them is so sad.

I reckon, that if things do kick off in a riotous way, that it will not be the bereaved or those still searching and hoping that will be behind it.

I have no doubt that people are angry, but at the same time there is a "rent a crowd" out there ready to kick up at the slightest opportunity.

And it seems it has begun in Kensington Town Hall, according to pps.

No there wont be riots yabu.

But a shift is taking place and the community spirit, common decency, family values will purge this useless government.

The communities may be cash poor but they have social capital in abundance and so do many of us.

We are the people.

I don't give a flying fuck whether they were immigrants or not.

They had to make a choice whether to throw their children from a burning building or cuddle them as they burned.

They were human beings. That's good enough for me. They deserved better.

I don't think we can assume it's a rent a crowd. People are asking for the list of the living and dead.

There's some sort of protest at Kensington Town Hall right now.

Crowds getting inside town hall

It will be the weather for rioting very soon.

I think some capitalist overlords are about to have a lesson in what happens when you have a great number of disenfranchised and powerless people full of righteous anger and a government that is seen to be reacting too slowly/trying to hide information.

I dearly hope it doesn't come to that and somethjng is seen to be 'being done' soon.

It's no rent a crowd. I can hear it from here. It's loud. And they want answers NOW

I think a riot is quite likely. People are very upset and feeling angry, discontented and disempowered (about the Grenfell fire in particular and the political and economic situation in the country in general). Plus, the weather is warm.

I'm sure this thread bears out lots of left wing people's theories. I'm beginning to feel like that's what it's here for, actually.

I'm one of those Tories (oOgA bOogA!) and I don't recognise the shite in user6758723584586352864's comments as anything I or other Tories I know, even think of in the wake of a tragedy like this. Immigrants... wtf?

Personally I am incensed. So is my (Conservative, not that it matters) MP. So is almost everyone I know. I am currently engaged in researching the issue and firing off letters for various levels of impact. People were killed here because they were not important enough to listen to, they directly drew attention to the EXACT possibility that has unfolded so tragically before the eyes of the nation. We should all be working together in terms of impactful action, please for goodness' sake phone or even visit your MP (take some printouts from the grenfell action website when you do) so they understand that we need them to go out to bat for us, write to the newspapers, file FOI requests so they can be published, and so on.

Oh no this will be hijacked by anarchists and trouble makers, won't it.

I am worried and only concerned for the dear families whose lives were destroyed by the second great fire of London.