To remind you of the protest march in London on July 1st?

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People's Assembly

For those of us who are sick and tired and angry and devastated.

I'm so bored of politics, Facebook, twitter ransoms emailing me about it 🙄 It seems a complete waste of police resources, the police resources that all the above mentioned keep talking about!
The Labour Party did better than expected in the GE but they didn't get the majority, by a long shot, if you put the stats together the cons won by more than the referendum to be out did. Yet we're still doing that soooo.....
the country has spoken, labour with all their promises didn't get the majority. That's not great but that life! Protesting about it is not going to make the blindest bit of difference, do you not think the cons govt knows they aren't in a position of "complete" majority?
It's a right to do so, but those protesting need to be aware of the cost this will incur through the police etc. You know the area everyone thinks needs more money . It's like those who wanted Labour yet send their kids to private Schools.
Everyone hates Teresa May yet if recent events had happened with JC in charge the tables would have been turned. There'd have been something that he didn't do right either.
The press is a sod to whoever holds the reigns 😢 and protests are rarely successful in outcome 😢

The pointless Vietnam war

Night

Night mayhem

So as I vote Labour I can't send my kid to private school my little anti democratic friends?

Prey explain the wisdom you have for us all.

Meanwhile I will be dusting my marching boots for those who have less than me...is that ok with you

I support democracy, which includes the right to peaceful protest. Good luck and good weather to those exercising their rights.

Ahh, that's lovely . Are you going to be protesting peacefully, and then head back home, or are you going to be part of the huge team that has to give up their weekend to monitor the people who are protesting , just in case they may not all have peace in their hearts?

YABU for all the reasons given above.

That's a really poor arguement Sea.
Try again
Starter for 10

Please read what SeaLions said. Our emergency services have enough on their plate right now. How about you let some of them spend a weekend with their families rather than have their leave cancelled, again, to police you lot.

Peregrina, thank you. Two fails there which probably means it's time for bed.

Ever, I didn't tell anybody what they could protest about. I pointed out it was the right of the protesters to protest and that they're exercising that right.

But other people also have the right to think of it what they will. And these sort of protests are notoriously ineffective and achieve little.

If you look at very effective protests like the SA House one, they are generally fairly low key civilised affairs which seek to educate people and provide a long term profile. Or they are very clear focused on single issues, like the poll tax riots.

'We don't like the outcome of a democratic election' is a bit pointless because by the very definition of a democracy the people you need to win over are those that you are protesting against and are demanding are ignored. Or you're demonstrating against democracy itself.

Neither of which is going to achieve anything really.

Grumpy..
that's not even an argument. I rate that nil points amongst the anti democrats...

Sorry Bill far too many words without a coherent meaning

Maybe a long march will help you get it all I context. BTW I highly suspect there will be support for Grenfell at the march...as it is anti austerity

And black lives matter.
But no lives matter to some do they?

Sealions, I need to understand this, so forgive me. Are you genuinely suggesting that people shouldn't exercise their democratic right to protest about things they disagree with because marches need resourcing?

I mean, I absolutely agree that the police service are overworked and under-resourced, for example. But I don't see why that means that democratic processes cannot take place. In fact, quite the opposite, surely? Do you not think that the state of public services will be central to the objections raised on the 1st?

YANBU
Thank you for posting information on this.

Shamoo - apologies that wasn't supposed to be aimed personally at you my mistake. I did state up thread that I am all for protesting and the act of protesting itself is part of democracy, however, when one of the main aims of the protest is to undo/hamper a democratic decision, that is what I have a problem with. But hey, maybe that's just me.

Are you going to be protesting peacefully, and then head back home, or are you going to be part of the huge team that has to give up their weekend to monitor the people who are protesting , just in case they may not all have peace in their hearts?

At the march on 25th March, the weather was glorious and the crowds well behaved, with no arrests. For the police it would be the chance of overtime pay, so which do you think they would prefer - policing a good natured demonstration where the protesters gave them flowers, or having to deal with a terrorist incident or this appalling fire? The march was planned long in advance so there would have been chance to get in reinforcements in a timely manner. But, if the Police are overstretched, perhaps we could ask who was at the Home Office between 2010 and 2016, and cut numbers? No prizes for getting that one right. Pedants argued that numbers dropped because older Police Officers retired - but not replacing them is a cut.

Are we forgetting the pointless protests against the Vietnam war?

The Vietnam War protests weren't pointless. There was a recent report that part of the reason it ended was because society had changed so much there was no appetite for war amongst the young, who were influential then as boomers.

protests against the illegal Iraqi War?

These weren't pointless either. They were huge and expressed that there was massive cross party and multi-faith/ethnic opposition to the war and will be very much noted in history as showing the British public was very far from a warmongering hubris ridden blood thirsty mass. Blair's hand wasn't forced by the public and it was important that was shown.

I'm not sure how this sort of protest could ever send the same sort of message.

How can a march hamper a democratic decision? It's not a coup

Perspective people. We can't have it's useless..no point...and hampering democracy..Tis contradictory

I don't get how if we want the 'system' to work, supporting labour but then sending to private school works? Surely private school is a conservative style luxury? A sign that 'you' can do it but others can't. It's not a new thing, under 'new' Labour several high ranking politicians sent their dc to private school and yet didn't really improve state schools. It just seems at odds, which is why I pointed it out, the Labour Party wants what is best for all, so surely that includes education? It was a minor point though and now I'm derailing. Sorry everyone!

Bill

Grenfell. Police cuts. Fire cuts. NHS cuts. Oh and poor and black lives matter

But ignore what is going on in the UK

Try marching. You might then actually understand what you are talking about

It's not against the rules of being a Labour voter to send your kid to private school

Also not against the rule not to if you are a Tory voter. Get it now?

Surely huge cross party protesting against a war is different to protesting a majority, however we feel throughout the country, this isn't a war it's a govt.

Talking of needing to Police big events and the Police being overstretched: remember the time the Pope came? That needed a big police operation but for many, especially Catholic Police Officers, a chance to volunteer for duty was a real opportunity for them to meet him, so one which they welcomed.

But we are back to austerity and cuts again, when public servants, most of whom do want to serve the public, are so overstretched that they can't do their jobs properly. The public in their turn have also had enough. (Especially when you see large firms with their tax dodging schemes.)

Ask the poor pooh and come back to us with your valuable insights

No , I don't but I'm probably not well educated enough!

Schroedinger's Protest, everthink

Simultaneously totally ineffectual and incredibly damaging to the very fabric of society and government. Odd, huh?