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AIBU?

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Neighbour borrowing nanny - AIBU?

184 replies

RNBrie · 14/06/2017 07:47

We had an au pair last year who was brilliant and would babysit for neighbours regularly. One neighbour used her a lot and had her doing regular childcare on the days we didn't need her. It got a bit awkward after a while as neighbour would ask au pair to mind her child when au pair was looking after mine (usually after school, could au pair pick up hers too and take her child to play ground and return her home at tea time). Sometimes she offered to pay her and sometimes not. It then got to the stage where au pair was collecting neighbour's child from school every day. I did step in at this point and tried to put a stop to it, but neighbour had a lot of "emergencies" and au pair really struggled to say no.

I am now back at work after dc3 and we have hired a nanny. Nanny's second day was yesterday. I came home from work a bit early so called nanny to find out where they were and met them in the park. Nanny had neighbours child with her. Nanny said neighbour had asked her to watch her child as she had to pop to the shops for 5 mins. That was 45 mins ago. Neighbour then turned up with a takeaway coffee and a couple of bags of shopping.

I am pissed off. Nanny is a lot more expensive than au pair and should be watching my three dc in the park, not someone else's dc. AIBU?!?

But... I can also see neighbour's point of view - they were in the park anyway. She doesn't have anyone to help with childcare. She is trying to set up her own business. Women should help other women etc.

I have told nanny that she should say no if asked again. But I am aware of how hard it is to say no to neighbour. So I think I need to speak to neighbour. But what do I say?!? I won't see her today as I am at work but I will tomorrow. Should I text today instead?

She took my nanny's number as she left the playground and I assume she plans on using her for babysitting.

My dc are 5, 3 and 1. Her dc is 5 and she also has a 13 year old.

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MiaowTheCat · 14/06/2017 09:12

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AdalindSchade · 14/06/2017 09:13

You're hugely in the wrong for allowing your au pair to be exploited by this woman without dealing with it. You were responsible for the au pair who presumably was young and not English, and who is only supposed to do light childcare. You allowed this woman to guilt her into doing extra unpaid childcare repeatedly. You were extremely remiss and should be ashamed of that.

As far as this neighbour and your nanny are concerned - tell your nanny she is not to agree to look after this child at all, under any circumstances. And tell your neighbour the same thing. So what if she's on her own? She's a pisstaker and you're a doormat. Stop it.

RNBrie · 14/06/2017 09:14

*typing post.

Have sent...

Good morning neighbour. Please don't ask Nanny to watch dc again when she is working for me. She has got her hands full already with my three and I don't think it's fair to ask her to do additional childcare when she is being paid to look after mine. I know this is awkward but I want to avoid the situation we got into with au pair. Thanks RNBrie.

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AdalindSchade · 14/06/2017 09:15

Oh god that text is still conciliatory in tone. You should have taken out the 'I know this is awkward' and not said about hands full. Anyway, done now.

CoraPirbright · 14/06/2017 09:15

Re the Madeleine Albright thing, I think that if your neighbour came to you and said "I really need childcare and I feel a bit cheeky for asking as you have clearly done all the legwork finding your nanny but is there some arrangement whereby I pay a proportion of her wages on certain days and she looks after mine also?". THEN that would be a case of helping out other women. But she is just taking the piss as you have been told (rather harshly by some on here imo).

I am not v good at confrontation but you have a cast iron excuse (not that you really need one) that the number and age of children you have means that the nanny is legally at her limit. Be prepared for the fallout though. Someone as entitled and cheeky as this will not take kindly to being called out on her behaviour and will probably be quite nasty.

Tanith · 14/06/2017 09:16

"Then I do have Madeleine Albright and her special place in hell reserved for women who don't help other women ringing in my ears."

Excellent! In this case, the woman you need to help is your nanny, who your neighbour is trying to exploit.

RiotAndAlarum · 14/06/2017 09:17

Women should help other women etc.

Did she actually say this? What the hell is she doing to help you, or even help your nanny?

It sounds like the sort of thing she might say again, probably when arguing with you about why you're wrong to tell her no, nay, never right up her arse! so you'll have a chance to slap down her use of that old guilt trip, which is particularly fucking cheeky.

RNBrie · 14/06/2017 09:17

@AdalindSchade au pair was 28, spoke near perfect English, had childcare qualifications from her home country and was being an au pair because she wanted an English family as a reference as we carry more weight in her country amd it's hard to find nannying work there. She wanted the extra money from neighbour and I did make sure she was properly paid.

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witsender · 14/06/2017 09:19

That text sounds fine to me, the shot across the bow reminding her about the au pair is good.

RNBrie · 14/06/2017 09:19

@RiotAndAlarum she never said that! That bit was all in my head (and has been beaten out by this thread!)

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Waltermittythesequel · 14/06/2017 09:21

Yes, women should help women. But not to each other's nannies!

And worse still, you're paying her babysitting fees because her husband won't get off his arse?

Fuck. That.

I'd email because you want it in writing.

zzzzz · 14/06/2017 09:21

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RNBrie · 14/06/2017 09:22

@AdalindSchade possibly conciliatory in tone but still firm and explicit yes?

I do have to see this woman regularly and our dc are good friends. I don't want to completely torpedo the relationship unless I have to.

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Waltermittythesequel · 14/06/2017 09:23

Oh sorry I missed a page!

I wouldn't have said about her hands full. I would have said she's employed to mind three, her insurance covers three, so she's only minding yours.

But still! Hopefully she gets the message!

Designerenvy · 14/06/2017 09:24

Why can't her 13 year old keep an eye on the 5 year old for the "5 mins" she needs to run the shop.
She sounds like a nightmare of a neighbour and us really taking advantage.
Your Nanny needs to get a back bone and say no and mean it! I h as be no one to help me here but I'd never ask my neighbour, who has an au pair to look after mine.... that dowe right cheeky! Tell her get her own childcare sorted and pay for it....dot be scabbing off you !
Your nanny needs to be told you will not tolerate this....it's her job on the line at the end of the day ! If she can't say no I'd look for a nanny who can !

kaytee87 · 14/06/2017 09:24

Neighbour is very cheeky but the nanny shouldn't have agreed so I'd be just as annoyed at her.

Designerenvy · 14/06/2017 09:25

Sorry for all the typos. ...running out the door and rushing as always !

RNBrie · 14/06/2017 09:25

@Designerenvy her 13 year old does not get home from school until later. So in the situation yesterday they had picked up dc and gone to park and then neighbour had left. Her older dc was still on the way home from school.

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Allthebestnamesareused · 14/06/2017 09:27

I think the message was a bit too soft actually.

Know this awkward ...
Got her hands full ....
Not fair....

If she ignores and persists definitely more robust:

She is paid to care for 3 children
Insurance only covers that.
Do not ask her again. You would not drop your child into the local nursery for an hour's free care why do you think it acceptable to use my employee who I pay, pay insurance, national insurance and pension for.

RNBrie · 14/06/2017 09:28

@Waltermittythesequel Yes, women should help women. But not to each other's nannies!

Definitely the best line on this thread so far.

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expatinscotland · 14/06/2017 09:28

Then she takes her other kid with her. It's done now, but stop using excuses. You need to be very firm with people like this.

sparechange · 14/06/2017 09:29

Can I take this opportunity to repost my story of my friend, her nanny, and her neighbour..?

Friend employed a nanny on a contract that also included 2 nights per week babysitting, but friend very rarely needed the babysitting.

Neighbour asked friend if she could use nanny for babysitting, friend said yes.

After a while, nanny sheepishly asked friend if she could ask neighbour to pay her for babysitting, because she hadn't given her anything after several sessions.

Friend spoke to neighbour, neighbour said 'but isn't she supposed to be doing 2 nights a week babysitting under her contract anyway? You aren't using the sessions, so I thought I would so they don't go to waste'

She refused to pay the nanny a PENNY because she figured friend had already paid nanny for them, and therefore nanny didn't need to be paid twice...

There will be a special place in hell reserved for those sorts of pisstakers

AllThingsPurple · 14/06/2017 09:29

The text is fine because it is polite and she is still your neighbour at the end of the day. I would let the nanny know that you are banning her from looking after anybody else's children (if an odd occasion comes up with somebody else you'll let her know in person then and she can decide) but your neighbour has more than had her share of childcare. There is helping out a neighbour and supporting other women and then there is being completely taken advantage of.

AwaywiththePixies27 · 14/06/2017 09:29

YDNBU. Your neighbour sounds ridiculously cheeky. You need to make it clear to neighbour that she is WORKING when she has your DCs.

Be explicit to the Nanny too.

You could in essence go down the safeguarding route too. As in the adult - child ratio. (haven't had my DCs in childcare for quite a while so don't know what the ratio is now).

But mainly just tell her piss off and hire her own bloody Nanny.

RNBrie · 14/06/2017 09:31

Neighbour has replied.

"Got it! I totally understand. Sorry, it wasn't planned - but I will make sure it doesn't happen again. X"

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