Former head of mi6 says Corbyn is a danger to the nation and wouldn't pass security vetting

[Sittinonthefloor]

Because of his terrorist links. That's pretty strong stuff! In today's telegraph. Behind a paywall though but the first few paragraphs are visible.

If this were important, why did they wait until the very day of the election to say it?

So someone who won the Ghandi peace prize is a terrorist. Pfffffft. All the Tory tabloids desperate today because they know it's going to be a close call. Hope you are all laughing long and hard when you are paying health insurance, social care insurance and inflations at 10% and above. Never mind you may be lucky enough to get another referendum when May comes back with no deal. (Yawn insults to opposition leaders so boring).

No Corbyn fan here, but this seems pretty desperate for the Torygraph. I don't know why as they are clearly going to win and win big.

sorry made a mistake he only attended the ceremony and that makes it all ok

And the point being he judgement

@ExplodedCloud He's said very, very clearly he will talk to terrorists. He's also against the government stopping jihadis abroad returning.

i am not quite sure how anyone can see either of these things as positive with events that have happened recently.

@BertrandRussell He admits he admitted the wreath laying ceremony; he "claims" it was to honour victims of Mossad and not terrorists, but he admits he was there. Who where the victims of Mossad?

Oh yes. The terrorists involved and implicated in the bombing.

What utter nonsense.

He already has security clearance. He's the leader of the opposition and a member of the Privvy Council.

He's not just some fly by night who popped up 7 weeks ago to oppose to StTheresa like it's a school council election. He's the elected leader of HM Opposition in the houses of Parliament.

The disdain to the intelligence of the British public show by media in general is shocking.

Is talking to terrorists such a bad thing? Isn't talking to people how negotiations happen?

What's the alternative? Bombing their civilians?

Oh my god OP, my sides! That's the best laugh I've had for ages . Thanks!

If Gerry Adams and Martin McGuiness managed to get cleared, I reckon Jeremy Corbyn will probably be ok. 🙄

@Sostenueto He didn't win the Ghandi Peace Prize.

Go do your homework before you spout shit. It was the Ghandi Peace Award.

20nil I agree the Tories may win but not by a lot. My greatest wish if we cannot get a labour win is to have a very strong opposition so when may shoves through The Great Repeal Bill she gets plenty of opposition because this bill was the real reason for calling the election as May wants to wipe out all opposition to push through all her right wing policies.

I don't like Corbyn but the smear campaign is shameful and makes me wonder why they're so terrified of him.

Tigershark stop being pedantic. See no such award for mrs unpopular at school May.

Everyone knows the telegraph is Tory! Everyone knows the leanings of all the papers - they've got it written on the front cover! They aren't even meant to be neutral and unbiased, they have bits in them called 'opinion' which are exactly that. Doesn't mean everything they write is untrue! It's also really valuable to get an insight into what other people think.
Personally I think it's important to try to burst out of your own bubble and get news from a range of sources. I like to read the guardian & telegraph.

It's not pretty strong stuff for The Telegraph, they are a Tory paper. And today is the last day to try and panic people out of voting for him.

I wasn't sure how to feel that I seem to be better researched on Corbyn than a former head of MI6, but everyone has their own biases and things they want to protect, and I'm assuming a former boss of MI6 has a lot of money and a lot of Tory connections... So, not surprising.

"Personally I think it's important to try to burst out of your own bubble and get news from a range of sources"

Yes, so do I. That's how I know this is bollocks. Interesting that you appear to be backtracking from "That's pretty strong stuff!" in your OP!

In this house we call him schrodingers terrorist..

He's perpetually in a state of both being a pacifist and supporting terrorist atrocities at the same time

Genius .

As PP say, DV for MI6 etc would involve close look into background (including parentage, place of birth, places lived), relationships, sexuality / sexual history, drug and alcohol use, porn, gambling, finances (debt), politics, criminal justice records, travel abroad etc. Many MPs would fail it on grounds of blackmailability - if they were gay but in the closet, for example. Functioning alcoholics would probably fail it. People who have significant relationships with people from countries that are considered a risk (eg married to a Chinese or Russian person) might fail it. A lot of it has to do with assessing potential risk (in the future) rather than actual existing risk.

You can find out more on their website or Google.

Of course, and I agree a range of sources is important op. But it's also important to read critically (whichever side you're approaching the issue from). It's not hard to spin a story one way or another, regardless of the facts.

Yes, Prime Minister summed it up beautifully:

Humphrey: "The only way to understand the Press is to remember that they pander to their readers' prejudices."

Hacker: Don't tell me about the press, I know exactly who reads the papers: The Daily Mirror is read by people who think they run the country; The Guardian is read by people who think they ought to run the country; The Times is read by people who actually do run the country; the Daily Mail is read by the wives of the people who run the country; the Financial Times is read by people who own the country; The Morning Star is read by people who think the country ought to be run by another country; and The Daily Telegraph is read by people who think it is.

Sir Humphrey: Prime Minister, what about the people who read The Sun?

Bernard: Sun readers don't care who runs the country, as long as she's got big tits.

So someone who won the Ghandi peace prize

He didn't win the Gandhi Peace prize. He won the Gandhi foundation Peace Award. The former is awarded by the Indian government, the latter by a very small British organisation that relies upon PayPal donations for its existence. Two very different things.

Personally, christinarossetti, I think we do need to talk to people involved in these kinds of groups (eg ISIS sympathizers) or we're never going to understand them. But I think that's a minority view.

A danger to the nation in what way? Is he thought capable of beating the nation to death with a courgette from his allotment? More like the 'Torygraph' owners and friends are worried about the billions of pounds of arms deals to the middle east, and will say almost anything to smear him.

He does have terrorist links, in that he negotiated with terrorists in order to bring about peace with the IRA. We've been waging a futile 'War on Terror' for 16 years, and things are getting worse. Maybe Jeremy Corbyn has a point.

I think it was Einstein who said that the very definition of insane is to continue doing the same thing over and over, hoping for different results.

Love that quote

I don't think anyone has said he is a terrorist himself. Just that he doesn't appear to be in anyway competent to deal with security based on his past words and actions (and by actions I mean going places and meeting dubious people).
He's well suited to being on the outside, rebelling and agitating without having any actual responsibility (or, arguably, impact) but running the country, dealing with Putin, Trump etc.? No, not so good.
I don't particularly rate May either btw and was hoping the lib dems would have got it together to be a viable alternative. But the priority is keeping Corbyn & McDonnell out.

Talk to terrorists does not equal negotiate with ISIS though and to conflate the two is disingenuous.